[sansbury]

You have never used one, so you can't see the need...therefore there is no need. Sheer ignorance! They have a place in a well-stocked machine shop. Get out of your own way and you might just learn a thing or two.

Did you miss the part where he said he **OWNS** two of them?

Seriously 307, are you OK? No one here is out to get you. We have different opinions, but it's not personal, and if you read what Tormachmaster and I posted, you'll see that we're not trying to tear you down. Just raising other perspectives.

[307startup]

Did you miss the part where he said he **OWNS** two of them?

Seriously 307, are you OK? No one here is out to get you. We have different opinions, but it's not personal, and if you read what Tormachmaster and I posted, you'll see that we're not trying to tear you down. Just raising other perspectives.

Yes I did miss that part. I reiterate...if he owns two "expensive" ram EDMs, why did he cheap out with a Tormach mill?

Methinks I smell manure somewhere in his prose...

What perspective exactly? I use the damn things (portable ram EDM) at work practically every day, I know just how useful they are.

You can make fun of the example I offered, I'm not sticking up for that particular brand. But to say that they don't do anything valuable or have no place in the Tormach lineup is sheer ignorance.

You want to suggest a better brand to Tormach? I'm all up for that. You want to suggest improvements that could be made to the machine to make them more useful? I'm all up for that.

What I'm not up for is having someone tell me something that is patently false and forcing myself (and trying to convince others) to believe it against my own experiences.

[Tormachmaster]

Yes I did miss that part. I reiterate...if he owns two "expensive" ram EDMs, why did he cheap out with a Tormach mill?

Methinks I smell manure somewhere in his prose...

What perspective exactly? I use the damn things (portable ram EDM) at work practically every day, I know just how useful they are.

You can make fun of the example I offered, I'm not sticking up for that particular brand. But to say that they don't do anything valuable or have no place in the Tormach lineup is sheer ignorance.

You want to suggest a better brand to Tormach? I'm all up for that. You want to suggest improvements that could be made to the machine to make them more useful? I'm all up for that.

What I'm not up for is having someone tell me something that is patently false and forcing myself (and trying to convince others) to believe it against my own experiences.

I dont think I will waste my time lets just keep it at this write about yourself before running your mouth yeah I looked at all the ram edms at IMTS they were just not really that noticable now the hole popers were not a bad idea if you dont have time to just drill one.

[HLF Ordnance]

307 you have taken offense most posts on this thread. Chill out.

My comment about "bugging" tomach and the ATC completion was a joke. Still they have been working on it for a long time and it will still be a few more months.

When I said tear up the table I miss spoke. I did not know that chevalier makes an edm with no problems, and cuts close to the table.



My use for the RAM EDM would be to square up a radius as oppose to using a modified press and broach or sometimes a hand file.

[BlueFin]

My use for the RAM EDM would be to square up a radius as oppose to using a modified press and broach or sometimes a hand file.

Some way to broach would be nice, I don't really like the idea of using the Z axis to broach though, Hoss did something like .001" removal per pass at 1" deep I think, that's 250 x 2 x 1 = 500 1" Z movements just to get one single 1/4" x 1/4" x 1" deep internal keyway broached.

But if you had something that hooked up to the spindle nose (like the speeder), had it's own little tool holder that was centered with the actual spindle and was run by the power of the rotating spindle that converted rotary motion into sawing motion you could saw (or just single point push cut) a keyway into something.

[307startup]

Some way to broach would be nice, I don't really like the idea of using the Z axis to broach though, Hoss did something like .001" removal per pass at 1" deep I think, that's 250 x 2 x 1 = 500 1" Z movements just to get one single 1/4" x 1/4" x 1" deep internal keyway broached.

But if you had something that hooked up to the spindle nose (like the speeder), had it's own little tool holder that was centered with the actual spindle and was run by the power of the rotating spindle that converted rotary motion into sawing motion you could saw (or just single point push cut) a keyway into something.

You mean something like this: RAZORFORM TOOLS

with this: National Machine Tool - Internal Mechanics

or this: [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucGMDjZXHB4"]YouTube - 4th Axis internal spline cutting. CNC automated. bridgeport peiseiler broach[/nomedia]

or this: (sorry I can't find it...there is a guy here on the Zone that made a spindle driven key-seater than bolts to the table for doing internal keyseats and splines)

[BlueFin]

You mean something like this: RAZORFORM TOOLS

with this: National Machine Tool - Internal Mechanics

or this: YouTube - 4th Axis internal spline cutting. CNC automated. bridgeport peiseiler broach

or this: (sorry I can't find it...there is a guy here on the Zone that made a spindle driven key-seater than bolts to the table for doing internal keyseats and splines)

Yeah, if that Razorform tools thing could be mounted in some sort of thing that had rigid up and down movement that was powered by the spindle rotation............

[Tormachmaster]

Did you miss the part where he said he **OWNS** two of them?

Seriously 307, are you OK? No one here is out to get you. We have different opinions, but it's not personal, and if you read what Tormachmaster and I posted, you'll see that we're not trying to tear you down. Just raising other perspectives.

Hey not to add but you should check with who you comment about before doing it negative you would think differently if you knew my expeirence and who and what I do for a living.

[307startup]

Hey not to add but you should check with who you comment about before doing it negative you would think differently if you knew my expeirence and who and what I do for a living.

That's a two-way street there, buddy. I'm not some home-shop guy putzing around with a Sterling engine. I've worked in production shops, job shops, oil-field shops, maintenance shops and hobby shops on everything from mud-motors to cushion-hitches...

Everyone has had a big chip on their shoulder since I started posting threads like this as if their opinion is the only one that matters, as if they are the only ones that know anything about machining, as if Tormach listens to them directly.

I'm putting out ideas for the community to use and all you're putting out is negative comments regarding these ideas. Well if you know so damn much why can't you come up with any positive comments to add? Because you're full of **** and full of yourself. You're just another internet warrior with a bloated ego and sorely lacking common sense.

I don't care what your name is, where you're from, or what you've done...the only thing that matters in life is what you're capable of doing now. You wanna rest on your laurels and expect me to grovel at your feet like some kind of hero, ain't gonna happen. You want some respect for your ability, you better start making some stuff that knocks me on my ass...because so far your attitude hasn't impressed me in the least.

You tried to make this about me, rather than about the idea & the products I highlighted. That's fine, I've got big shoulders, an agile mind and a quick wit. So far all you've got is a grudge and an attitude.

So here's the criteria...if you can't give some VERIFIABLE, PROVEN reasons why this can't/won't work...DO NOT POST. I don't want to hear your opinion, I only care about facts. If you aren't posting in regards to the PRODUCT IDEAS...DO NOT POST. I don't want to hear your opinion about me, I only care about facts regarding the product ideas.

I don't care if this pisses you off. If you knew half of what you think you know, you would be presenting ideas yourselves, rather than getting on someone else for doing it. Your OPINIONS have no value. Any FACTS that can be verified are welcome.

[Tormachmaster]

That's a two-way street there, buddy. I'm not some home-shop guy putzing around with a Sterling engine. I've worked in production shops, job shops, oil-field shops, maintenance shops and hobby shops on everything from mud-motors to cushion-hitches...

Everyone has had a big chip on their shoulder since I started posting threads like this as if their opinion is the only one that matters, as if they are the only ones that know anything about machining, as if Tormach listens to them directly.

I'm putting out ideas for the community to use and all you're putting out is negative comments regarding these ideas. Well if you know so damn much why can't you come up with any positive comments to add? Because you're full of **** and full of yourself. You're just another internet warrior with a bloated ego and sorely lacking common sense.

I don't care what your name is, where you're from, or what you've done...the only thing that matters in life is what you're capable of doing now. You wanna rest on your laurels and expect me to grovel at your feet like some kind of hero, ain't gonna happen. You want some respect for your ability, you better start making some stuff that knocks me on my ass...because so far your attitude hasn't impressed me in the least.

You tried to make this about me, rather than about the idea & the products I highlighted. That's fine, I've got big shoulders, an agile mind and a quick wit. So far all you've got is a grudge and an attitude.

So here's the criteria...if you can't give some VERIFIABLE, PROVEN reasons why this can't/won't work...DO NOT POST. I don't want to hear your opinion, I only care about facts. If you aren't posting in regards to the PRODUCT IDEAS...DO NOT POST. I don't want to hear your opinion about me, I only care about facts regarding the product ideas.

I don't care if this pisses you off. If you knew half of what you think you know, you would be presenting ideas yourselves, rather than getting on someone else for doing it. Your OPINIONS have no value. Any FACTS that can be verified are welcome.

I only got to the point of ideas that are more practical for sale sorry if I hurt your feelings