[hoss2006]

Thought I'd post a few pics since uploads seem to be working again.
Sure is a perty thang.
Hoss

Got the specs for the Precision Mathews PM20MV and PM25MV below.

[madbee]

Some of the specs will need verification. The vertical travel of 17" on the PM-25V is in error and is closer to 13". I had called them yesterday and they did a quick measurement.

[hojpoj]

Jeez Hoss, ya scared me. For a second there it looked like a round-column mill with that drill press sitting behind it!

[photomankc]

Yeah, there are a couple of items in the specs that are a bit odd. Like the table sizes being the same and yet the travels are different by over 2 inches? I got the PM-25 so when it gets here I'll measure the travels. I will be a bit angry if the motor specs are wrong, I took it that the extra power was a part of the price difference on it.

[cncJerry]

Hey, is that little drill press from sears? I've had one since '81.

[Enraged]

so the differences between the 20 and 25 are simply spindle motor horsepower? Or if the travels they list are correct, you get more X on the 20, but more Z on the 25.

If Grizzly is going to be a long wait, I might just get one from MTW (they are in Canada which helps).

[greenb_60097]

That's right, all you guys should cancel your grizzly orders and get the PM mills so you can have it like tommorow., But wait on the electonics till after I get mine so they're not back ordered as well.

Brian

PS-I feel like I'm moving up the list quickly.........LOL

[ihavenofish]

so the differences between the 20 and 25 are simply spindle motor horsepower? Or if the travels they list are correct, you get more X on the 20, but more Z on the 25.

If Grizzly is going to be a long wait, I might just get one from MTW (they are in Canada which helps).

the 20v / lv is supposed to be lower power and mt2 taper.
the 25v / lv is more power and r8.

those are the only differences from weiss, but each oem seems to be able to alter the specs to their own needs.

for example MTW took the bf20 models and requested r8 in them which isnt standard form the opti factory.

as for the travels being different, this is likely just the way the limit stops are set up. it could also be a revision in the saddle casting that allows more movement on the grizzly. theres been a number of tweaks to the mills over the years by the look of things. the 2 may also not be from the same factory either.

[Enraged]

I'm waiting on confirmation of the motor power of the MTW BF20LV. If it actually is 850W 3000rpm, I'll probably order from them rather than Grizzly, as the travels are the same and both include the same accessories.

[ihavenofish]

I'm waiting on confirmation of the motor power of the MTW BF20LV. If it actually is 850W 3000rpm, I'll probably order from them rather than Grizzly, as the travels are the same and both include the same accessories.

only hitch is that pat is going by what the factory says, which he wont really know til hes got them in stock if the factory spec is correct.

im going with mtw only because i can pick it up in person, hehe. i wont be getting mine just yet though, i need to work out my shop space still. too many machines!

[hoss2006]

Hey, is that little drill press from sears? I've had one since '81.

Jerry and hoj,
I've had that little drill press for probably just as long. Can't remember where
but Sears would be a good guess. I converted it to a lathe at one point, didn't work well, so now it's back to original.
Nice to have to just pop some holes into a part, it's a PITA with cnc.
Hoss

[mrcodewiz]

I just came across a german site from a guy that converted a BF20 to CNC. You can babelfish it to get a really terrible translation but the thing that I am most curious about is the 2nd photo on the page. He used some blue to see how well the saddle mated up and it doesn't look like very well at all. I would be curious if any of you do this on the Grizzly model to see how it compares.

http://www.einfach-cnc.de/bf20_cnc-umbau.html

[rowbare]

I just came across a german site from a guy that converted a BF20 to CNC. You can babelfish it to get a really terrible translation but the thing that I am most curious about is the 2nd photo on the page. He used some blue to see how well the saddle mated up and it doesn't look like very well at all. I would be curious if any of you do this on the Grizzly model to see how it compares.

http://www.einfach-cnc.de/bf20_cnc-umbau.html

That is a really nice conversion. I like his enclosed belt drives.

bob

[Starleper1]

I was going to comment on those belt drives my self. Very nicely done. As well as the hidden proximity switches :cheers:

[drift393]

Well Hoss after many an email back and forth to you and the put off from Grizzly on when their next shipment is in. Just made the plunge and ordered the PM-20v. Thanks for the guidance will let ya know on impressions when I receive it.

Thanks again for putting up with all the newb questions and straight talk!!

[hoss2006]

I just came across a german site from a guy that converted a BF20 to CNC. You can babelfish it to get a really terrible translation but the thing that I am most curious about is the 2nd photo on the page. He used some blue to see how well the saddle mated up and it doesn't look like very well at all. I would be curious if any of you do this on the Grizzly model to see how it compares.

http://www.einfach-cnc.de/bf20_cnc-umbau.html

I will when I install my Turcite and lube system.
Noticed I've had the Waylock adhesive too long it seems, expired 11/09. hmmm.
I wouldn't read too much into the blueing, every machine will be different.
If there's no slop and it's still easy to move with no binding like mine now, all will be well.
You need some nooks and crannies to hold oil.
If you go to the trouble to make it dead flat, you have to add a means
of getting oil in between.
Just like the the mating parts in an engine, they need a replenishing oil film to last.
Hoss

[hoss2006]

That is a really nice conversion. I like his enclosed belt drives.

bob

Yeah, pretty similar to the Optimum commercial version.
http://media.mruni.lt/ricardo/BF20iCNCiconversion.pdf
Hoss

[hoss2006]

Well Hoss after many an email back and forth to you and the put off from Grizzly on when their next shipment is in. Just made the plunge and ordered the PM-20v. Thanks for the guidance will let ya know on impressions when I receive it.

Thanks again for putting up with all the newb questions and straight talk!!

Good to hear, welcome to the fun.
I should take a drive up and peek at the 30MV, like I need another hole in the head.
My email is always open.
Hoss

[drift393]

While in touch with you regarding all the fun I was in touch with a guy by the name of Matt who works there hes the one who got me the specs on the mills btw. Very straight shooting guy. Even promised to hook this newb up with some goodies. As far as I can tell if the customer service is anything to base the machine on should be a great choice and kinda glad Grizz flaked on me. So one last plug for them http://www.machinetoolonline.com/PM-MV-BenchMills.html . If you need make the trip up that way Hoss let me know will give ya the guys name and contact info hate posting that without consent no matter where I am. Feel like a born again 13 year old waiting for christmas!!

[hoss2006]

While in touch with you regarding all the fun I was in touch with a guy by the name of Matt who works there hes the one who got me the specs on the mills btw. Very straight shooting guy. Even promised to hook this newb up with some goodies. As far as I can tell if the customer service is anything to base the machine on should be a great choice and kinda glad Grizz flaked on me. So one last plug for them http://www.machinetoolonline.com/PM-MV-BenchMills.html . If you need make the trip up that way Hoss let me know will give ya the guys name and contact info hate posting that without consent no matter where I am. Feel like a born again 13 year old waiting for christmas!!

Thanks, I'll email if I need it. I shouldn't go anywhere near the place though,
I'm an impulse buyer don't ya know.
Hoss