[LeeWay]

Instead of a hot patch, they ripped off the band aid.

[mountaindew]

I loaded 1.9.4b version this morning and run some new stuff and it was rock solid for me . I even had to stop and restart the same operation 3 times because I didn't get part locked down good enough for the roughing operation and seen it move. Like rut roe STOP . reset part tightened it little more and it moved again bozo. Little more marked the finish but held in place, darn it, need to not take such deep cuts sometimes on little tiny parts. Anyway I was impressed it all ran with no problems over and over in the middle of a very large multi sided part program until bozo got it right!

[Jabs1542]

Happens more than you would like to know. They wrote new code to fix a bug, discovered the new code introduced a new bug, and then decided the new bug was worse than the old bug so they reverted back to the previous bug. Not uncommon with large software builds.

different take on this - purely from being in the software industry for 10 years. If you would like a glimpse into the SW industry, I have put a few of my personal viewpoints below. Tormach will get there, this is purely a maturity issue and they are on the right path.

Actually they can start off MUCH easier than your software development response. They need to engage in Regression Testing. Seriously, all the machine has to do is run gcode, and that can be automated. A catalog of jobs that runs the machine through its paces (a bet a few folks here would offer up a few jobs) that they regression test for a few days prior to post would help a lot.

As for this latest video mode snaffoo: If your going to change a hardware driver then you need to regression test a large sample of candidate hardware items you could handshake with. They should have accumulated a development environment by now with different types of computers (different models of AMD and Intel, different RAM profiles, Mesa cards, Ethernet, etc.) and peripherals (monitors, keyboards, mice, etc.). Controlling releases and regression testing would strengthen their code base. Same for the Tormach posts in SprutCAM - regression test with known jobs.

[keen]

Thanks guys for your input here - is Tormach following this?....any unofficial comment?

Maybe they are already doing this stuff?

Keen

[TPR]

i'm still having issues even with the new "B" version. i do this nights and weekend and of course they dont have anyone there to help me out right now as i am still down. and getting them on the phone these days seems to be tougher than ever.im happy for you guys with no issues, i was one of those happy campers as well when i was on sprutcam 8 and mach3.... sprutcam 9 all post and PP have been nothing but a head ache so far.

get pathpilot they said, it'll be great they said...........

:-(

Carlos
TPR Motorsports

[LeeWay]

What kind of issues are you having?

[TPR]

right now the current issue is that when i load the program and hit cycle start, it goes straight to cut, before i would get a tool change position then a 2nd cycle start to then start the spindle and then go cut and coolant.

issue number 2, on my Z feed i set it to feed down at 6 ipm, what it seems to be doing is feeding down at 6 ipm then on the folowing z feed it wants to feed at 50 ipm. thats obviously a bit aggresive. i have checked the program a million times now and i cannot find anything i am doing wrong.

i thought i had narrowed it down to the sprutcam 9 post being the issue because it was actually setting a z feed of 50 ipm, so i used my sprutcam 8 post and the code looked good but the machine is still very aggresive feed.

i just resently upgraded to sprutcam 9 all post and then upgraded to PP aswell

Carlos

[LeeWay]

Is there a place to set G30 on the mill screen?

[TPR]

N10 G90 G64 G50 G54 G80 G17 G40 G49
N20 G20 (Inch)
(Roughing waterline)
N30 G30
N40 T9 G43 H9 M6
(.5 EM ROUGHER)
N50 S3000 M3 M8
N60 G0 G94 X5.3478 Y-0.0315 Z0.1 A0.
N70 G1 Z0. F6.
N80 Z-0.05 F6.
N90 G2 X5.2893 Y-0.1061 Z-0.05 I-0.2797 J0.159 F50.
N100 X5.495 Y-0.2583 Z-0.05 I-0.075 J-0.3164
N110 G1 Y0.8353 F50.
N120 G2 X5.3286 Y0.7573 Z-0.05 I-0.2158 J0.2442
N130 X5.4083 Y0.5389 Z-0.05 I-0.2457 J-0.2134
N140 G1 X5.3893 Y0.0971 F50.
N150 G2 X5.3478 Y-0.0315 Z-0.05 I-0.3235 J0.0336
N160 G1 Z-0.1 F50.
N170 G2 X5.2893 Y-0.1061 Z-0.1 I-0.2797 J0.159
N180 X5.495 Y-0.2583 Z-0.1 I-0.075 J-0.3164
N190 G1 Y0.8353 F50.
N200 G2 X5.3286 Y0.7573 Z-0.1 I-0.2158 J0.2442
N210 X5.4083 Y0.5389 Z-0.1 I-0.2457 J-0.2134
N220 G1 X5.3893 Y0.0971 F50.
N230 G2 X5.3478 Y-0.0315 Z-0.1 I-0.3235 J0.0336
N240 G1 Z-0.15 F50.
N250 G2 X5.2893 Y-0.1061 Z-0.15 I-0.2797 J0.159
N260 X5.495 Y-0.2583 Z-0.15 I-0.075 J-0.3164
N270 G1 Y0.8353 F50.
N280 G2 X5.3286 Y0.7573 Z-0.15 I-0.2158 J0.2442
N290 X5.4083 Y0.5389 Z-0.15 I-0.2457 J-0.2134
N300 G1 X5.3893 Y0.0971 F50.
N310 G2 X5.3478 Y-0.0315 Z-0.15 I-0.3235 J0.0336
N320 G1 Z-0.2 F50.
N330 G2 X5.2893 Y-0.1061 Z-0.2 I-0.2797 J0.159
N340 X5.495 Y-0.2583 Z-0.2 I-0.075 J-0.3164
N350 G1 Y0.8353 F50.
N360 G2 X5.3286 Y0.7573 Z-0.2 I-0.2158 J0.2442
N370 X5.4083 Y0.5389 Z-0.2 I-0.2457 J-0.2134
N380 G1 X5.3893 Y0.0971 F50.
N390 G2 X5.3478 Y-0.0315 Z-0.2 I-0.3235 J0.0336
N400 G1 Z-0.245 F50.
N410 G2 X5.2893 Y-0.1061 Z-0.245 I-0.2797 J0.159
N420 X5.495 Y-0.2583 Z-0.245 I-0.075 J-0.3164
N430 G1 Y0.8353 F50.
N440 G2 X5.3286 Y0.7573 Z-0.245 I-0.2158 J0.2442
N450 X5.4083 Y0.5389 Z-0.245 I-0.2457 J-0.2134
N460 G1 X5.3893 Y0.0971 F50.
N470 G2 X5.3478 Y-0.0315 Z-0.245 I-0.3235 J0.0336
N480 G0 Z0.1
N490 X1.3695 Y-1.6721
N500 G1 Z0. F6.
N510 Z-0.05 F6.
N520 X1.3604 Y-1.6681 F50.
N530 G2 X1.341 Y-1.7037 Z-0.05 I-0.3257 J0.1544
N540 G1 X1.393 Y-1.681 F50.
N550 X1.3695 Y-1.6721 F50.
N560 Z-0.1 F50.
N570 X1.3604 Y-1.6681 F50.
N580 G2 X1.341 Y-1.7037 Z-0.1 I-0.3257 J0.1544
N590 G1 X1.393 Y-1.681 F50.
N600 X1.3695 Y-1.6721 F50.
N610 Z-0.15 F50.
N620 X1.3604 Y-1.6681 F50.
N630 G2 X1.341 Y-1.7037 Z-0.15 I-0.3257 J0.1544
N640 G1 X1.393 Y-1.681 F50.
N650 X1.3695 Y-1.6721 F50.
N660 Z-0.2 F50.
N670 X1.3604 Y-1.6681 F50.
N680 G2 X1.341 Y-1.7037 Z-0.2 I-0.3257 J0.1544
N690 G1 X1.393 Y-1.681 F50.
N700 X1.3695 Y-1.6721 F50.
N710 Z-0.245 F50.
N720 X1.3604 Y-1.6681 F50.
N730 G2 X1.341 Y-1.7037 Z-0.245 I-0.3257 J0.1544
N740 G1 X1.393 Y-1.681 F50.
N750 X1.3695 Y-1.6721 F50.
N760 G0 Z0.1
N770 X1.2616 Y-1.1594
N780 G1 Z0. F6.
N790 Z-0.05 F6.
N800 X1.2714 Y-1.1676 F50.
N810 X1.2836 Y-1.1457 F50.
N820 G2 X1.1894 Y-1.1028 Z-0.05 I0.0872 J0.3164
N830 X1.2616 Y-1.1594 Z-0.05 I-0.6654 J-0.9232
N840 G1 Z-0.1 F50.
N850 X1.2714 Y-1.1676 F50.
N860 X1.2836 Y-1.1457 F50.
N870 G2 X1.1894 Y-1.1028 Z-0.1 I0.0872 J0.3164
N880 X1.2616 Y-1.1594 Z-0.1 I-0.6654 J-0.9232
N890 G1 Z-0.15 F50.
N900 X1.2714 Y-1.1676 F50.
N910 X1.2836 Y-1.1457 F50.
N920 G2 X1.1894 Y-1.1028 Z-0.15 I0.0872 J0.3164
N930 X1.2616 Y-1.1594 Z-0.15 I-0.6654 J-0.9232
N940 G1 Z-0.2 F50.
N950 X1.2714 Y-1.1676 F50.
N960 X1.2836 Y-1.1457 F50.
N970 G2 X1.1894 Y-1.1028 Z-0.2 I0.0872 J0.3164
N980 X1.2616 Y-1.1594 Z-0.2 I-0.6654 J-0.9232
N990 G1 Z-0.245 F50.
N1000 X1.2714 Y-1.1676 F50.
N1010 X1.2836 Y-1.1457 F50.
N1020 G2 X1.1894 Y-1.1028 Z-0.245 I0.0872 J0.3164
N1030 X1.2616 Y-1.1594 Z-0.245 I-0.6654 J-0.9232
N1040 G0 Z0.1
N1050 X1.0607 Y-1.0059
N1060 G1 Z0. F6.
N1070 Z-0.05 F6.
N1080 X1.0468 Y-1.0263 F50.
N1090 G2 X1.1704 Y-1.0892 Z-0.05 I-0.1362 J-0.4201
N1100 X1.0777 Y-0.9756 Z-0.05 I0.2009 J0.2583
N1110 G1 X1.0607 Y-1.0059 F50.
N1120 Z-0.1 F50.
N1130 X1.0468 Y-1.0263 F50.
N1140 G2 X1.1704 Y-1.0892 Z-0.1 I-0.1362 J-0.4201
N1150 X1.0777 Y-0.9756 Z-0.1 I0.2009 J0.2583
N1160 G1 X1.0607 Y-1.0059 F50.
N1170 Z-0.15 F50.
N1180 X1.0468 Y-1.0263 F50.
N1190 G2 X1.1704 Y-1.0892 Z-0.15 I-0.1362 J-0.4201
N1200 X1.0777 Y-0.9756 Z-0.15 I0.2009 J0.2583
N1210 G1 X1.0607 Y-1.0059 F50.
N1220 Z-0.2 F50.
N1230 X1.0468 Y-1.0263 F50.
N1240 G2 X1.1704 Y-1.0892 Z-0.2 I-0.1362 J-0.4201
N1250 X1.0777 Y-0.9756 Z-0.2 I0.2009 J0.2583
N1260 G1 X1.0607 Y-1.0059 F50.
N1270 Z-0.245 F50.
N1280 X1.0468 Y-1.0263 F50.
N1290 G2 X1.1704 Y-1.0892 Z-0.245 I-0.1362 J-0.4201
N1300 X1.0777 Y-0.9756 Z-0.245 I0.2009 J0.2583
N1310 G1 X1.0607 Y-1.0059 F50.
N1320 G0 Z0.1
N1330 X-4.3231 Y-1.517
N1340 G1 Z0. F6.
N1350 Z-0.05 F6.
N1360 G2 X-4.7564 Y-1.6505 Z-0.05 I-0.4502 J0.6912 F50.
N1370 G1 X-4.995 Y-1.6531 F50.
N1380 Y-1.945 F50.
N1390 X-4.0098 F50.
N1400 G3 X-3.9201 Y-1.4716 Z-0.05 I-10.4202 J2.2191
N1410 G1 X-3.8911 Y-1.2048 F50.
N1420 G2 X-3.9649 Y-0.9897 Z-0.05 I0.733 J0.3716
N1430 X-4.3231 Y-1.517 Z-0.05 I-0.8083 J0.1638
N1440 G1 X-4.4566 Y-1.3056 F50.
N1450 G2 X-4.7591 Y-1.4005 Z-0.05 I-0.3164 J0.4791
N1460 G1 X-5.245 Y-1.4058 F50.
N1470 Y-2.195 F50.
N1480 X-3.787 F50.

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sorry left off the top part

( POSTPROCESSOR: PCNCMasterPostSC9_RevF_PP )
( GENERATED BY SprutCAM )
( DATE: 1/12/2016 )
( TIME: 8:51:41 PM )

(Tool) (9) (Diameter)(0.5) (.5 EM ROUGHER) (Operation) (Roughing waterline)
(Tool) (6) (Diameter)(0.25) (.25 EM) (Operation) (Roughing waterline2)
(Tool) (6) (Diameter)(0.25) (.25 EM) (Operation) (Roughing waterline3)
(Tool) (6) (Diameter)(0.25) (.25 EM) (Operation) (2D contouring3)
(Tool) (22) (Diameter)(0.125) (.125 EM) (Operation) (Roughing waterline4)
(Tool) (2) (Diameter)(0.25) (.25 DRILL MILL 90) (Operation) (2D contouring)
(Tool) (2) (Diameter)(0.25) (.25 DRILL MILL 90) (Operation) (2D contouring2)

[TPR]

yes, under offsets , i can set g30 to whatever hieght i want or itll just go to the soft stop and start from there BUT as soon as it hits that G30 it goes straight to cutting and rapids down in the Z. before it stopped and i would always check my tool hight with a measuring tape just to make sure i was somewhere in the ball park.

has this functionality gone away? is my controller acting stupid?? is my sprut cam defaulting to some bad settings??? is post post junk????

Carlos

[keen]

But your code on eg line 90 is showing Z at F50...why is that there?

Keen

[LeeWay]

Okay.
It sounds like you need to choose how you want the machine to do tool changes. One of the guys with the mill should be able to help you sort that out.

[TPR]

But your code on eg line 90 is showing Z at F50...why is that there?

Keen

thats what im trying to figure out man.. in sprutcam its set to 6 ipm

- - - Updated - - -

Okay.
It sounds like you need to choose how you want the machine to do tool changes. One of the guys with the mill should be able to help you sort that out.

thanks man

[tmarks11]

Note that the position G30 sends your mill to isn't a fixed location. There is a button on the offset screen that says "set G30", which sets the safe height to whatever your current z positions is. Maybe you accidentally reset it, so when it sees G30, it is not traveling to the top (I did that once and barely avoided a nasty crash with a drill chuck).

I don't know why the M6 command isn't stopping and waiting for a tool change.

The order of commands on the line shouldn't matter, but all of Tormach's examples also have the "M06 T##" first on their tool change line. Try rearranging them and see if it works.

[LeeWay]

Yeah, G30 on the lathe is basically the same.
You set the height of retraction from Z zero for each job or in my case for all jobs.
On the lathe, I can set up for Gang tooling, Turret tools or a combination of things. The tool change can be automatic or manual depending on which choice I make there. The mill should have something similar.

[Philbobb]

I'm not a G-code expert, but everything I've ever seen has the tool change and height offset on different lines. Here's an example of what I usually see spit out:

(6IN CIRCLE POCKET)
(T13 D=0.375 CR=0. - ZMIN=-0.15 - FLAT END MILL)
N10 G90 G94 G17 G91.1
N15 G20
N20 G53 G0 Z0.
(2D POCKET1)
N25 M9
N30 T13 M6
N35 S5100 M3
N40 G54
N45 M9
N55 G0 X4.4825 Y-4.4827
N60 G43 Z0.6 H13
N65 G0 Z0.2


Note that if you have it set for tool 6, and you have an M6 T6 it will go to the tool change position, but will press on from there without pause because you already have that tool loaded. Mach would pause regardless.

[Tormachmaster]

i'm still having issues even with the new "B" version. i do this nights and weekend and of course they dont have anyone there to help me out right now as i am still down. and getting them on the phone these days seems to be tougher than ever.im happy for you guys with no issues, i was one of those happy campers as well when i was on sprutcam 8 and mach3.... sprutcam 9 all post and PP have been nothing but a head ache so far.

get pathpilot they said, it'll be great they said...........

:-(

Carlos
TPR Motorsports

Consider Sput Cam 10 it works good. PP is working great so possibly you need to reload it or something?

[TPR]

Note that the position G30 sends your mill to isn't a fixed location. There is a button on the offset screen that says "set G30", which sets the safe height to whatever your current z positions is. Maybe you accidentally reset it, so when it sees G30, it is not traveling to the top (I did that once and barely avoided a nasty crash with a drill chuck).

I don't know why the M6 command isn't stopping and waiting for a tool change.

The order of commands on the line shouldn't matter, but all of Tormach's examples also have the "M06 T##" first on their tool change line. Try rearranging them and see if it works.

just frustrating, I upgraded to PP and now I need to do more work... lol doesn't make sense

[TPR]

Consider Sput Cam 10 it works good. PP is working great so possibly you need to reload it or something?

I just spent $700 on sprutcam9 like 4 weeks ago, unless they want to give me 10 for my headaches with 9, I'm not upgrading anymore once 9 is up and running. only reason I upgraded to 9 is because they wouldn't sell me a sprutcam8 all post version, and basically cornered me into 9.

they said 9 worked like a dream, all issues with 8 were resolved(I never had any issues with 8), yet here I am feeding in the Z at 50 ipm when I'm inputting 5 ipm in the program.

I got a couple things to try tonight and I hope I'm done with the issues

thanks guys, if I'm sounding a little jerk'ish, I'm just frustrated, my apologies, nothing bothers me more then spending good money on stuff that doesn't work right out the box, maybe I'm expecting too much. I don't know.

Carlos

[Tbkahuna]

I'm not sure if I am fully understanding the Z feed issue you are having. It looks like the code you listed above shows a rapid to Z.1, then the next feed is (approach) to Z0.0 at F6, then you cut at F50 at a lower Z.

I don't know if this is what you were looking for, but on the feed and speed tab for the machining operation in Sprut, in the feed rate section, you pick the feed for "work", "rapid", "approach", "retract", and "next" from the pull down and then you pick the rate for each of those. They are selected as a percent of work feed, or you pick the feed rate number depending on what you select. You can check there to see what the rapid, approach, and work feed rates are, change them, and repost your code. There is also a "smart cut feed".