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  1. #21
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    Re: Where do I start

    OK, so I probably misread his email. I guess he gave me the size of the upgrades. The upgrade's are 1610 and 2010. So they would double the speed. One more question. I know that MX3660 has "steps" that go from 1 to 1/64, and from what I understand the G540 goes from 1 to 1/10. What does that mean in terms of what it does and how would that affect the work being done with it? What is good and what is not good.

  2. #22
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    Re: Where do I start

    Update. I ended up purchasing an XZero Raptor 2 x 3 CNC machine with the MX3660 and the 281oz motors. I also purchased the Hitachi M12VC router to mount to it. My next step is to get some bits to use so that I can start cutting. My problem now is trying to figure out which bits I will need in order to start doing some work. I have attached a couple of pictures that show what kinds of things I will be cutting in the wood. I realize that I will be needing some small bits, but my router only came with 1/2" and 1/4" collets. Does anyone know if Hitachi or anyone else makes 1/8" collets that would fit my router, or any other solution to use the smaller shank bits. Also, what bits should I get. I want to be able to carve things as well as engraving letters and such into wood and acrylic. I am pretty sure I will be needing a v-bit, but what size, angle (90, 60, etc) and so forth. What other bits would I be needing. I read on a few forum post that many people use regular router bits. The theory is sound that if a router works well with people pushing it, why wouldn't it work with a machine pushing it. I understand that bits with the bearing mount would not work, but other than that, would router bits work just as well as CNC End mills? I look forward to the reponses. Thanks in advance for your help, Stacey
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  3. #23
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    Re: Where do I start

    I'd suggest for your first work you get some bits that aren't so tiny - like anything, you'll need some practiced, and it's insanely easy to snap tiny bits.
    The 'bravo company' piece looks like it was made with a V bit. I use this one
    Autek Hi Quality 3D Wood Making Router CNC Engraving V Groove Bit End Mill 32mm 90 Degree(V63290)
    (stick that in Amazon)
    you'll probably want a 90 degree V bit. If you're doing lots of V bit work, you'll also want a 60
    You'll need a 1/8" ball end bit. mine has a taper behind the ball and uses a 1/2" shank
    For roughing out you'll want a 1/4" straight bit and a 1/2" straight bit

  4. #24
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    Re: Where do I start

    You can get bits with a 1/4" or 1/2" shank that are smaller sized on the working ends. The other way to go is to put a precision bushing on the small tool to bring it up to a size that will fit in your collets: MLCS Woodworking Adaptor Bushings and Ball Bearing Guides
    Andrew Werby
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  5. #25
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    Re: Where do I start

    Precisebits.com has 1/8" collets for the Hitachi.
    Gerry

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    http://www.g-forcecnc.com/jointcam.html

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  6. #26
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    Re: Where do I start

    Gerry, I went to this link and clicked on Hitachi, but is sent me to the Bosch info.

  7. #27
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    Re: Where do I start

    Look on the left side, it's compatible with both the Bosch and Hitachi M12VC
    Gerry

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    Mach3 2010 Screenset
    http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/2010.html

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    http://www.g-forcecnc.com/jointcam.html

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  8. #28
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    Re: Where do I start

    So, if I were to get only 3 or 4 bits to do the 3D carving like I have shown you below, what would be the top 3 or 4 bits you would recommend I use, or at least 3 or 4 bits that every CNCer should have in his/her arsenal? What are your thoughts on V bits as far as 90deg vs. 60deg, 1/4" vs. 1/2", etc.

  9. #29
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    Re: Where do I start

    For 3D carving, a tapered ballnose is probably your best best. Get a 1/16" for finer detail, or a 1/8" for large carvings.

    For V Carving, a 60° is better for small letters, and a 90° or even 120° works better for larger letters. The sharper the angle, the deeper the cut. A lot of people like CMT laser point V bits from Amazon.
    Gerry

    UCCNC 2017 Screenset
    http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/2017.html

    Mach3 2010 Screenset
    http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/2010.html

    JointCAM - CNC Dovetails & Box Joints
    http://www.g-forcecnc.com/jointcam.html

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  10. #30
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    Re: Where do I start

    OK, great information on bits. I now have a great starting point for end mills. After looking at them on-line, where can I get some of these bits with 1/4" shanks that do not cost an arm and a leg. When I get started, I am guessing I will be messing some up until I can get a feel for the feed rates and spindle rates. I am looking for some good "starter" bits to get me going. Some of the ones that I have seen out there are rather expensive. I would love to go with some 1/8" shank bits, but it seems I need to mortgage my home to not only buy a 1/8" collet for my router, but to have it sent to me (17.00 just to ship a .1 lb item) is just outrageous. Any thoughts?

  11. #31
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    Re: Where do I start

    Carvewright has some that are very good and 1/4 inch shaft. you need to order them without the adapter.

  12. #32
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    Re: Where do I start

    For practicing, just buy cheap bits from Ebay.
    Rather than a tapered ballnose, which is expensive, get some 1/8" shank 1/8" ballnose, which you can get for $5 or less. Buy from Drillman1 on Ebay, where you can get excellent 1/8" shank bits for very little money.
    Gerry

    UCCNC 2017 Screenset
    http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/2017.html

    Mach3 2010 Screenset
    http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/2010.html

    JointCAM - CNC Dovetails & Box Joints
    http://www.g-forcecnc.com/jointcam.html

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  13. #33
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    Re: Where do I start

    Annie, Where did you buy your used cnc from?

  14. #34
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    Re: Where do I start

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaunYoung View Post
    Annie, Where did you buy your used cnc from?

    I bought mine from a private hobbyist; He built it from plans he purchased.

    CNC machine DIY plans and build instructions

    mine looks like the DIYLILCNC on that page.

  15. #35
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    Re: Where do I start

    I would seriously consider the Leadsine drive if you go with the larger steppers, as it is capable of 60V and over 6A

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