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    Re: Parallel Cable

    Quote Originally Posted by carlowens View Post
    the way i read it he was using the correct cable from automation tech, changed to a printer cable, now things don't work so yes as pointed out already what you read is true, printer cables don't work.
    Sorry that is not what I meant. The mill will not respond and after trying just about every thing I could think of I swaped out the DB25 pin cable that came with the computer I'm using. Yes it was working in june before the shoulder rotator cuff surgery. I'm able to get back in the shop now and the mill don't work. Mach 3 DRO count when I jog it but the motors don't respond. It is like the pin number in the motor output table aren't wright but I check them and they are the way they should be. X 8&9 Port 1, Y 6&7 port 1 Z 4&5 port1, Port address is 378 non of the item to the far right of first screen are checked, I don't have any LEDs lit in the Diag screen.It's like every thing is right but the motors don't move. I have check all cables, power supply's and voltages, all ok.?????? I also just ohm'd out both cables and they are the same all pins connected.
    I'm strongly thinking ESS to replace the C10 BOB and get rid of the parallel. stuff kind out dated. I have the Automation Technology Kl-5056D drivers and the 570 oz steppers and no it is not new.
    CH

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    Re: Parallel Cable

    I'm strongly thinking ESS to replace the C10 BOB and get rid of the parallel. stuff kind out dated. I have the Automation Technology Kl-5056D drivers and the 570 oz steppers and no it is not new.
    CH
    The ESS does not replace the C10. It replaces the parallel port but in the end the signals "look" like parallel port signals and plug to a BoB before they go to the motors, All you are going is adding complexity. Are you sure on the pinouts? Those look backwards.from most I have seen. Take a simple DVM and pull your DB25 cable to the C10. Write down each DIR pin that is defined in your setup. Then put your meter on DC volts and measure between pin 25 (gnd and - side of the meter) to the respective pins for each axis DIR signal. Jog that axis and change the direction. The DIR signal for that axis should go from low to high (about 3.5 volts DC on most PC's or vice versa. Bottom line you are checking for activity . Low is close to zero volts (less then 1 VDC). If you get signals than good chance the MACH is sending out signals to the parallel port.
    The next thing to check is your Charge Pump. Go to Ports & Pins and Output signals and find the two charge pump ouputs. Make sure the first one is enabled and note waht port 1 pin it is on. Go back to the cable using pin 25 and the pin noted for CP. When you come out of RESET that pin should go to about 1/2 of the DC volts as the normal HIGH so something like 1.5 to 2 volts. You have to have CP on most BoB to let the signals through .

    I know you are frustrated but tossing out the parallel port and setting up Ethernet and the ESS is not a 5 minute deal. If you buy your new components from the wrong vendor you will be stuck where You are now....poor instructions and asking for help on a forum.

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    Re: Parallel Cable

    Quote Originally Posted by Torchhead View Post
    The ESS does not replace the C10. It replaces the parallel port but in the end the signals "look" like parallel port signals and plug to a BoB before they go to the motors, All you are going is adding complexity. Are you sure on the pinouts? Those look backwards.from most I have seen. Take a simple DVM and pull your DB25 cable to the C10. Write down each DIR pin that is defined in your setup. Then put your meter on DC volts and measure between pin 25 (gnd and - side of the meter) to the respective pins for each axis DIR signal. Jog that axis and change the direction. The DIR signal for that axis should go from low to high (about 3.5 volts DC on most PC's or vice versa. Bottom line you are checking for activity . Low is close to zero volts (less then 1 VDC). If you get signals than good chance the MACH is sending out signals to the parallel port.
    The next thing to check is your Charge Pump. Go to Ports & Pins and Output signals and find the two charge pump ouputs. Make sure the first one is enabled and note waht port 1 pin it is on. Go back to the cable using pin 25 and the pin noted for CP. When you come out of RESET that pin should go to about 1/2 of the DC volts as the normal HIGH so something like 1.5 to 2 volts. You have to have CP on most BoB to let the signals through .

    I know you are frustrated but tossing out the parallel port and setting up Ethernet and the ESS is not a 5 minute deal. If you buy your new components from the wrong vendor you will be stuck where You are now....poor instructions and asking for help on a forum.
    Hey thanks for the info on the ESS route. The pins don't really mater as long as you have them entered in the right order in Config pins and ports.screen. You can have 2&3 on the X axis or 8&9 as long as the wiring matches and on the right port number. In my case I used the shortest route from the brake out board to the drivers. X just happened to closest to pins 8&9. and so on. But yes they are right. I have pulses on PUL- but nothing on PUL+DIR+ and DIR- when jogging the axis, all of them no mater which way your going+-. I don't think that is right. I wish I was better at figuring this stuff out. I'm thinking that the C10 may be hosed because I have pulses on the pins of the parallel cable for each axis when jogging either direction. If this C10 is bad then it makes 2 driver out 3 and 2 BOB cards in a little over a year.::argue: I'm getting tired of having to constantly replace Chines crap. Automation tech has been a problem getting warranty parts replaced. I had a computer crash last year during the cold. I lost all my software and asked them send me a replacement lic for my Mach3 the wanted me to buy a new lic another 175.00 but she finally talk to the boss and they sent a replacement. Then a KL-8057-D was DOA when I finished my build and they didn't want to warranty it only 4mo after I bought the kit. Then Feb. 2014 a KL-5056-D died and that was a fight to the end because it was 10 Mo old. They say they have 12mo warranty on their junk or they used to. I was on the phone today with Scott at Artsoft. today, he thinks it is in the BOB. So I 'm down for now until I get some more help on the C10. I have no idea what a charge pump is or what it does.
    Thanks
    CH

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    Re: Parallel Cable

    Hi again.
    I found the problem there was a bad jumper on the C10 BOB. the Jumper should be able to connect some pins together that defines the function to the pins and it was bad. So I soldered some wire between the pins and now everything is working again. Sure glad to have the G0704 back up and in the shop again. Thanks for the help.
    CH

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