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  1. #1
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    Unhappy PUMA 2000SY TURRET PROBLEMS

    HI.
    WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH BROKEN TEETH ON OUR CURVIC COUPLING AND IDLE GEAR

    WE REPLACED THE SET AND NOW WE ARE GETTING INTERMITTANT 2047 ALARMS

    ALSO WHEN WE UNCLAMP TURRET WITH K5.4 IT IS UNDER SEVERE PRESSURE FROM THE SERVO MOTOR WHEN TRYING TO ROTATE BY HAND

    AND WHEN INDEXING IN MANUAL MODE THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF BACKLASH

    ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

  2. #2
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    Re: PUMA 2000SY TURRET PROBLEMS

    Quote Originally Posted by VALBYRNES View Post
    HI.
    WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH BROKEN TEETH ON OUR CURVIC COUPLING AND IDLE GEAR

    WE REPLACED THE SET AND NOW WE ARE GETTING INTERMITTANT 2047 ALARMS

    ALSO WHEN WE UNCLAMP TURRET WITH K5.4 IT IS UNDER SEVERE PRESSURE FROM THE SERVO MOTOR WHEN TRYING TO ROTATE BY HAND

    AND WHEN INDEXING IN MANUAL MODE THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF BACKLASH

    ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
    2047 is a timout alarm: It just says that something took too long.

    The timeline for a servo-turret index is as follows:
    1. M6 or Manual turret request given
    2. Machine in proper mode and no alarms
    3. Ladder Compare if X=Y (if command is same as current position, give complete, else continue.
    4. Fanuc Output (Y) 24vdc from I/O board for Curvic Unclamp
    5. Wires carry current to Curvic Unclamp coil
    6. 24vdc energizes relay coil for unclamp
    7. Relay contacts activate
    8. Fanuc control sends signal to Vision control, stiffening Vision Servo
    A. Vision Servo stiffens turret
    9. Voltage waiting at common contact sends current through wire to Curvic Unclamp solenoid.
    10. Voltage energizes solenoid coil
    11. Hydraulic pressure waiting at valve's Pressure supply port.
    12. Solenoid coil's magnetic field causes Curvic Unclamp valve's spool to shift
    13.Hydraulic pressure charges hose to Curvic Unclamp piston
    14. Curvic Unclamp causes pressure against seals and shifts into unclamp position
    15.(on most machines) Curvic Unclamping allows a springloaded rod to slide away from the Curvic Clamped Proximity switch
    16. Proximity switch SIGNAL line goes low
    17. Fanuc I/O sees signal go low.
    18. Fanuc control sends binary code to Vision control (position to index to, and command to rotate)
    B. Vision Control moves required encoder pulses.
    C. Vision control lands turret back onto a VPF position (Verify Position Flag)
    D. Vision control stiffens and awaits a signal
    19. Fanuc Output (Y) 24vdc from I/O board for Curvic Unclamp is dropped
    20. Wires de-energize to Curvic Unclamp coil
    21. 24vdc de-energizes relay coil for unclamp
    22. Relay contacts open
    23. Voltage stopped to Curvic Unclamp solenoid.
    24. Solenoid coil's magnetic field colapses causing Curvic Clamp side of valve's spool to shift
    25.Hydraulic pressure charges hose to Curvic Clamp piston
    26. Curvic Clamp causes pressure against seals and shifts into Clamp position
    27.(on most machines) Curvic Clamping allows a springloaded rod to slide toward the Curvic Clamped Proximity switch
    28. Proximity switch SIGNAL line goes High
    29. Fanuc I/O sees signal go High.
    30. Fanuc control sends signal to Vision control, relaxing Vision Servo


    At any point between #4 and #29 a 2047 can occur.


    Severe Pressure is likely caused by incorrect assembly as K5.4 allows"free-wheeling" rotation of the turret.
    "a lot of backlash" = check assembly...Curvic engaged = Zero Backlash / Curvic disengaged = Free rotation

    Note: when re-engaging the curvic, it should engage with a slight "pull" in rotation (a slight "pulling" signifies "slope to slope" interaction of the curvic. "Flat to flat" interaction might allow incorrect clamping)

    Call Doosan Service if you need to discuss further.

    (973) 618-2500
    Doosan Service Technician
    [email protected] O:973-618-2461 M:973-803-9479

  3. #3
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    Re: PUMA 2000SY TURRET PROBLEMS

    Please forgive me. I've made a mistake.

    2047 is a TURRET CONTRL. UNIT EMG.STOP ALARM: (2023 is a timout alarm: It just says that something took too long

    The timeline for a servo-turret index is as follows:
    1. M6 or Manual turret request given
    2. Machine in proper mode and no alarms
    3. Ladder Compare if X=Y (if command is same as current position, give complete, else continue.
    a. If machine has a Live Milling equipped:
    i. Orient live tool
    ii. Confirm Fixing cam is engaged.
    4. Fanuc Output (Y) 24vdc from I/O board for Curvic Unclamp
    5. Wires carry current to Curvic Unclamp coil
    6. 24vdc energizes relay coil for unclamp
    7. Relay contacts activate
    8. Fanuc control sends signal to Vision control, stiffening Vision Servo
    A. Vision Servo stiffens turret
    9. Voltage waiting at common contact sends current through wire to Curvic Unclamp solenoid.
    10. Voltage energizes solenoid coil
    11. Hydraulic pressure waiting at valve's Pressure supply port.
    12. Solenoid coil's magnetic field causes Curvic Unclamp valve's spool to shift
    13.Hydraulic pressure charges hose to Curvic Unclamp piston
    14. Curvic Unclamp causes pressure against seals and shifts into unclamp position
    15.(on most machines) Curvic Unclamping allows a springloaded rod to slide away from the Curvic Clamped Proximity switch
    16. Proximity switch SIGNAL line goes low
    17. Fanuc I/O sees signal go low.
    18. Fanuc control sends binary code to Vision control (position to index to, and command to rotate)
    B. Vision Control moves required encoder pulses.
    C. Vision control lands turret back onto a VPF position (Verify Position Flag)
    D. Vision control stiffens and awaits a signal
    19. Fanuc Output (Y) 24vdc from I/O board for Curvic Unclamp is dropped
    20. Wires de-energize to Curvic Unclamp coil
    21. 24vdc de-energizes relay coil for unclamp
    22. Relay contacts open
    23. Voltage stopped to Curvic Unclamp solenoid.
    24. Solenoid coil's magnetic field colapses causing Curvic Clamp side of valve's spool to shift
    25.Hydraulic pressure charges hose to Curvic Clamp piston
    26. Curvic Clamp causes pressure against seals and shifts into Clamp position
    27.(on most machines) Curvic Clamping allows a springloaded rod to slide toward the Curvic Clamped Proximity switch
    28. Proximity switch SIGNAL line goes High
    29. Fanuc I/O sees signal go High.
    30. Fanuc control sends signal to Vision control, relaxing Vision Servo


    At any point between #4 and #17 a 2047 can occur. ( At any point between #4 and #29 a 2023 can occur.)



    Severe Pressure is likely caused by incorrect assembly as K5.4 allows"free-wheeling" rotation of the turret.
    "a lot of backlash" = check assembly...Curvic engaged = Zero Backlash / Curvic disengaged = Free rotation

    Note: when re-engaging the curvic, it should engage with a slight "pull" in rotation (a slight "pulling" signifies "slope to slope" interaction of the curvic. "Flat to flat" interaction might allow incorrect clamping)

    Call Doosan Service if you need to discuss further.

    (973) 618-2500
    Doosan Service Technician
    [email protected] O:973-618-2461 M:973-803-9479

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