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  1. #1
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    Slightly confused (as usual)

    Hi,

    I've just run a fly-cutter and a 3/8 end mill over a ~2 inch cube of aluminium to tidy it up. Both left a ridge which I could feel with my finger along the edge of their cut. "No problem", I thought, this sounds like the mill needing to be trammed. I haven't done that since I bought it, and it has been hauled around a bit. In fact, I'm not sure if it has ever been trammed.

    So I grab my DTI and some ground blocks, set them up to measure the x-axis... and it appears to be perfect. I do the same for y and again it is perfect.

    Now, I'm slightly suspicious I'm doing something wrong, but I can't see what. I've watched NYCCNCs tramming video on YouTube, and I am doing exactly the same thing. My DTI doesn't have a very long arm, so that probably isn't helping. But if tram appears to be correct within a very small figure - is that likely after moving the machine twice? Wouldn't the move plus a different floor throw it off by twisting the stand slightly?

    Something else I've just noticed too - if I turn the jog wheel full-speed +/- on the x-axis, occasionally it moves at a slower rate before speeding up. The slow rate seems to be the "second-fastest" speed. There isn't an intermediate acceleration, it just goes second-fastest, then after 1/2 second or so goes to full speed like it should. Has anyone else seen this behaviour? Edit - I strongly suspect the new USB hub I'm using is the cause of this!

    Luke

    Edit - I'm going to keep the DTI in the spindle, and run it up the side of a square on the table, and see if that tells me anything about the spindle-table relationship. I'll also run the DTI along the table surface and watch what happens.

  2. #2
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    Your not moving your table during tramming are you?

  3. #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by BAMCNC.COM View Post
    Your not moving your table during tramming are you?
    Nope.

    The DTI didn't move when I traversed X and Y.

    Testing with the square was a little bit less precise. I tried it three times and got different results.

    I might be over-thinking this. Maybe the cube just moved in the vice. I'm going to mill two more sides, once along X and once along Y, and see how that looks.

  4. #4
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    I really cranked down the vice this time and it has made all the difference!

  5. #5
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    Well that's easier! Glad to hear it.

  6. #6
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    Don't move the table if you're checking the tram of the head. Move the spindle to a spot approximately in the center of the table on the "Y" axis. Put a indicator in the spindle. Run the "Z" axis dorn until you get a zero in you indicator and then rotate the spindle by hand.

    If you move the X or Y axis, that won't tell you anything.
    You can buy GOOD PARTS or you can buy CHEAP PARTS, but you can't buy GOOD CHEAP PARTS.

  7. #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Seebold View Post

    If you move the X or Y axis, that won't tell you anything.
    Steve,
    Indicating on the table surface and moving the X or Y axis should reveal if the table surface is not parallel to the table dovetail surfaces. Unless I have misunderstood what you meant.
    Bevin

  8. #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by bevinp View Post
    Steve,
    Indicating on the table surface and moving the X or Y axis should reveal if the table surface is not parallel to the table dovetail surfaces. Unless I have misunderstood what you meant.
    Bevin
    It will tell you if the X and Y are parallel to the ways, but it won't tell you if the Z axis is perpendicular to the X and Y axis.
    You can buy GOOD PARTS or you can buy CHEAP PARTS, but you can't buy GOOD CHEAP PARTS.

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