[ihavenofish]

so, i got me a maho. eep! it was a good price and working and while an unusual horizontal machine, rather suited to the projects i have at the moment.

trouble is, i dont know alot about it. it seems to be a bit rare compared to other universal rmahos, and virtually no info exists online about it other than 2 or 3 more for sale in europe.

so, any help from anyone who has used one of these machines, or just the philips 432 control in general is appreciated.

heres some pictures:
Index of /maho/images

its a maho MC 5 HS from about 1985 or 1986. the control has been updated to a 432/10 v603 and someone put in a renishaw probing system, although we dont know if the probe itself is still there.

other specs as far as i can tell are:
iso40 taper with the typical maho pin
8000rpm spindle
590ipm rapids
230ipm cutting feed
48 position tool changer
auto pallet changer with 2 pallets
rotary table with simultaneous 4 axis motion
indramat ac servos on all axes, as well as spindle
ball screws
philips glass scales


things id like to know are:
can it drip feed the the v603 software??
what pull studs does it use?
is it better to grind the tool index pin or modify new tool holders keeping in mind this spindle is 8000rpm?
what coolant should be used?

im sure ill have more questions soon, haha. i have to go back and take a much more indept look over the next week or so. mostly to measure it and plan its move to my shop.

[txcncman]

This looks like an older model than the one I did programming for about 12 years ago. Yes, the control itself would be capable of the 6th axis, if that function were enabled. Have you even attempted to contact DMG and ask for information on this machine?

[ihavenofish]

This looks like an older model than the one I did programming for about 12 years ago. Yes, the control itself would be capable of the 6th axis, if that function were enabled. Have you even attempted to contact DMG and ask for information on this machine?

yes, i emailed the sales manager here, he should get back to me monday i think. most of my reading leads me to believe that dmg basically doesnt support or even know about the older machines (which is technically 4 companies ago).

mostly im trying to find info while i sit and wait.

[txcncman]

If you can't get any satisfaction at all out of DMG, be sure to make a huge stink about it. Companies should not be legally allowed to carry over a company name unless they assume full responsibility for the history too. Then contact Stiles Machinery. They used to do our service on the Maho I did the programming for.

[ihavenofish]

well, we'll see.

in the meantime though, im amazed that there is littlerally no info on this machine online. youd think there would at least be a brochure, or someone with pictures, or a video of one cutting.

[txcncman]

That is how rare of a machine you have. Make the best of it.

[underthetire]

You will not get any support from DMG. You may be able to get a couple parts here and there. Deckles were the same way, 6 months sometimes for parts, with weeks of trying to find it. You also need to remember, even after DMG took over, in the us it's now DMG mori seiki. There used to be a guy named don sentner that did deckels, I'm sure maho as well, but he is horrible at returning calls any longer, if he is still in business. Sorry to say, you bought a very difficult machine to support, especially now it's almost 30 years old.

[ihavenofish]

You will not get any support from DMG. You may be able to get a couple parts here and there. Deckles were the same way, 6 months sometimes for parts, with weeks of trying to find it. You also need to remember, even after DMG took over, in the us it's now DMG mori seiki. There used to be a guy named don sentner that did deckels, I'm sure maho as well, but he is horrible at returning calls any longer, if he is still in business. Sorry to say, you bought a very difficult machine to support, especially now it's almost 30 years old.

yeah, i know its a tricky one. originally i was looking for a broken maho mh600 for a grand or 2, and would retrofit emc or mach.

but then i found this, which didnt cost much more, and works and of course has all the nice extra features.

so the idea now seems to be, set it up (needs reconnecting of all the wires) and use it til something breaks in the control and deal with it then, either repairing or retrofitting (which i very complex on this model).

we had one idea here, which was to create a "new" replacement board that emulates all the philips software/hardware, but with more memory and other enhancements. might be a way to keep this machine going to many more years without the need for a full redo with a modern expensive control.

ill be sitting on my hands for at least 3-4 more weeks, so i want to try an plan ahead as much as i can.

[underthetire]

A retrofit would make them a nice machine. Maho and deckel both had good iron. It was always the control that was problematic. I had a chance to buy several different deckels that even ran dirt cheap. I thought about getting one to retrofit, but I have no room.

[Davey Boy]

Hello Folks,

I bought an MH600 last fall and it came with a good set of manuals. The control you have is a bit different than the one on the MH600, but the manual seems to cover the control. Publish dates are 1986/87.

Here are some pics of the two books that might interest you and also I see you are from Canada, so I included a pic of a business card stapled inside the operating manual cover, which might be of some help to you.

(OK, after trying to submit this post, apparently I am not allowed to post links to the pictures since I am new here. I will email them them to you if I can figure out how to do that.)

If you are willing to pay for copying, I could take them someplace and have them scanned or copied for you. The Training Literature book is 116 pages and the Operating instruction is about 200 pages. If you just need a page or two, I could have a friend scan that for you.

If you need more info on the contents first, let me know.

All the best,
Davey Boy.

[Davey Boy]

Me again.

Since I now have a post, I think I am allowed to post links.

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/...20424_0130.jpg
http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/...20424_0131.jpg

Davey Boy

[ihavenofish]

cool! the control manuals are supposed to be included with my machine, but in case theve been lost, it would be realyl cool to have a copy of yours. hopefully ill know more details this week.

ferro technique ive talked to in the past about other things. is this a number you were given for someone who currently does work with these machines?

[Davey Boy]

I don't know the details about the service number... it was written on the card by the previous owner.

I just FINALLY got three phase in my shop last week and now have to find a way to reload the parameters for the MH600. Yikes!

Let me know if you need something from the manuals.

Davey Boy.

[uli12us]

That was mechanically the same machine, but with reduced performance. No pallet changer, only a 24 tools toolmemory and maybe a bit slower in rapid movement.
The philips 6600 was 2 generation back to your control.
About your parameters diskette, do you know some1, who have a SGI Computer with disk, I have found out, that these computers can read different filessystems without problems. If its a 5 1/4" you can try a appleII, Schneider, C64/128 or amiga, to read the disk. I don't think, that Phillips have build her own Diskettes, eventually they made an own file system. If that all don't work you should try to buy the diskplayer at Ebay.de
In Germany these machines are not exotic.

[deckeldoctor]

Hello underthetire/Jeff

I am still around.

This past 1.5 years have been way to full of health problems in my family.

Starting with my 80 year old fathers passing in Jan 2011. My 79 year old mother with health problems. My wife in Oct 2011 car accident and neck surgery in Feb 2012 still recovering.

This is just short version of problems.

Thank goodness I am still mostly healthy, but its hell to be getting old, so that I can take care of the others

In spite of all these problems I have been helping customers and providing phone support.

I do work on Maho's ,but specialize in Deckel's.

Going to work in Canada has become a pain in the arse these days.

Canada has done what the USA needs to do and that is try to keep outside own country workers out, keeping Canadians working.

Work Visa or no entry.

I have customers writing letters for me to justify why the need to go outside the country to hire some one to service their machines.

Regards
DD

[ihavenofish]

Hello underthetire/Jeff

I am still around.

This past 1.5 years have been way to full of health problems in my family.

Starting with my 80 year old fathers passing in Jan 2011. My 79 year old mother with health problems. My wife in Oct 2011 car accident and neck surgery in Feb 2012 still recovering.

This is just short version of problems.

Thank goodness I am still mostly healthy, but its hell to be getting old, so that I can take care of the others

In spite of all these problems I have been helping customers and providing phone support.

I do work on Maho's ,but specialize in Deckel's.

Going to work in Canada has become a pain in the arse these days.

Canada has done what the USA needs to do and that is try to keep outside own country workers out, keeping Canadians working.

Work Visa or no entry.

I have customers writing letters for me to justify why the need to go outside the country to hire some one to service their machines.

Regards
DD

heya, im a poor bastard as far as this machine goes, so im on the "do it all myself" road for the moment. once the machine is in service though i may need "real" help once in a while. so its good to know you are around DMG is also apparently of some use here in canada. we'll see how much.

the guys i bought it from said they had the contact for someone in the us who worked on these machines. i assumed that was either you or the "maho doctor" fellow, who i think is now retired.

anyhow, the movers say they cant do it til next thursday.

does anyone know a mover in the toronto area thats good and quick? my shop space is clumsy, the machine has to come in the loading bay, turn a corner down a 10 foot wide hall, then turn again into a 8 x 8 foot door. with a machine thats 11.5 feet long and 7 feet wide, this will be an adventure. im expecting some sort of dollies under the feet will be needed with the forklift only there to lift it on and off.

[underthetire]

Glad your still around!

Call me if you get a chance, I need a monitor bad!

[uli12us]

Have in Mind, that DMG is mainly Deckel, but the old machines of all firms are not really supported. Especially if Mahos.

We in Germany have some specialised firms, they have spare parts for the antique machines. Maybe, if you can't get spare parts, try it abroad but the prices are often prohibited.

7ft with 8 feet spare, thats not a problem, as I get my Deckel, you can't push a newspaper between the upper corner of the machine and the door. On the side it was less spare as you have. But its necessary, that you have people before and behind the machine, cause you can't go through the gap. And if possible it were better if you can stand your machine upon controllable rollers.
Sorry I haven't found a correct translation for the rollers. that are the one with a drawbar to change direction.

About your monitor, if its for the Maho or another aged machine, you can try to use a simple tv-set with cinch or scart input. Only the newer machines have specialized monitors, that you can only replace with original parts (or not really cheaper parts from OEMs). The only problem can be, if you have some "softkeys" around the screen.

[ihavenofish]

Have in Mind, that DMG is mainly Deckel, but the old machines of all firms are not really supported. Especially if Mahos.

We in Germany have some specialised firms, they have spare parts for the antique machines. Maybe, if you can't get spare parts, try it abroad but the prices are often prohibited.

7ft with 8 feet spare, thats not a problem, as I get my Deckel, you can't push a newspaper between the upper corner of the machine and the door. On the side it was less spare as you have. But its necessary, that you have people before and behind the machine, cause you can't go through the gap. And if possible it were better if you can stand your machine upon controllable rollers.
Sorry I haven't found a correct translation for the rollers. that are the one with a drawbar to change direction.

About your monitor, if its for the Maho or another aged machine, you can try to use a simple tv-set with cinch or scart input. Only the newer machines have specialized monitors, that you can only replace with original parts (or not really cheaper parts from OEMs). The only problem can be, if you have some "softkeys" around the screen.

so im not the only one putting a machine in a tiny space, haha. the rollers are what i called dollies. wheels you put under the feet and then push the machine around. i found a place that might move it this week, but i didnt get the price yet. hope its not very high.

on the screen, ive seen people replace the tube with lcd's using a $100 converter that makes the correct scan rate.

[uli12us]

Probably you need a small stapler or so to push, the machine weighs 5200kg.
I have found a pic of the cover from the toolchanger, it seems its only the half of a cube. Maschinen-Foto 4 - Bearbeitungszentrum - Horizontal MAHO MC 5 HS