[ihavenofish]

cool. yeah, so far its looking promising. the scale would be an issue if its not just dirty, but hopefully its all going to be fine... we will find out soon.

so, how was the mc500 to work on? is it a nice machine? did it have similar features like the pallet changer?

[uli12us]

That was mechanically the same machine, but with reduced performance. No pallet changer, only a 24 tools toolmemory and maybe a bit slower in rapid movement.
The philips 6600 was 2 generation back to your control.
About your parameters diskette, do you know some1, who have a SGI Computer with disk, I have found out, that these computers can read different filessystems without problems. If its a 5 1/4" you can try a appleII, Schneider, C64/128 or amiga, to read the disk. I don't think, that Phillips have build her own Diskettes, eventually they made an own file system. If that all don't work you should try to buy the diskplayer at Ebay.de
In Germany these machines are not exotic.

[deckeldoctor]

Hello underthetire/Jeff

I am still around.

This past 1.5 years have been way to full of health problems in my family.

Starting with my 80 year old fathers passing in Jan 2011. My 79 year old mother with health problems. My wife in Oct 2011 car accident and neck surgery in Feb 2012 still recovering.

This is just short version of problems.

Thank goodness I am still mostly healthy, but its hell to be getting old, so that I can take care of the others

In spite of all these problems I have been helping customers and providing phone support.

I do work on Maho's ,but specialize in Deckel's.

Going to work in Canada has become a pain in the arse these days.

Canada has done what the USA needs to do and that is try to keep outside own country workers out, keeping Canadians working.

Work Visa or no entry.

I have customers writing letters for me to justify why the need to go outside the country to hire some one to service their machines.

Regards
DD

[underthetire]

Glad your still around!

Call me if you get a chance, I need a monitor bad!

[ihavenofish]

Hello underthetire/Jeff

I am still around.

This past 1.5 years have been way to full of health problems in my family.

Starting with my 80 year old fathers passing in Jan 2011. My 79 year old mother with health problems. My wife in Oct 2011 car accident and neck surgery in Feb 2012 still recovering.

This is just short version of problems.

Thank goodness I am still mostly healthy, but its hell to be getting old, so that I can take care of the others

In spite of all these problems I have been helping customers and providing phone support.

I do work on Maho's ,but specialize in Deckel's.

Going to work in Canada has become a pain in the arse these days.

Canada has done what the USA needs to do and that is try to keep outside own country workers out, keeping Canadians working.

Work Visa or no entry.

I have customers writing letters for me to justify why the need to go outside the country to hire some one to service their machines.

Regards
DD

heya, im a poor bastard as far as this machine goes, so im on the "do it all myself" road for the moment. once the machine is in service though i may need "real" help once in a while. so its good to know you are around DMG is also apparently of some use here in canada. we'll see how much.

the guys i bought it from said they had the contact for someone in the us who worked on these machines. i assumed that was either you or the "maho doctor" fellow, who i think is now retired.

anyhow, the movers say they cant do it til next thursday.

does anyone know a mover in the toronto area thats good and quick? my shop space is clumsy, the machine has to come in the loading bay, turn a corner down a 10 foot wide hall, then turn again into a 8 x 8 foot door. with a machine thats 11.5 feet long and 7 feet wide, this will be an adventure. im expecting some sort of dollies under the feet will be needed with the forklift only there to lift it on and off.

[uli12us]

Have in Mind, that DMG is mainly Deckel, but the old machines of all firms are not really supported. Especially if Mahos.

We in Germany have some specialised firms, they have spare parts for the antique machines. Maybe, if you can't get spare parts, try it abroad but the prices are often prohibited.

7ft with 8 feet spare, thats not a problem, as I get my Deckel, you can't push a newspaper between the upper corner of the machine and the door. On the side it was less spare as you have. But its necessary, that you have people before and behind the machine, cause you can't go through the gap. And if possible it were better if you can stand your machine upon controllable rollers.
Sorry I haven't found a correct translation for the rollers. that are the one with a drawbar to change direction.

About your monitor, if its for the Maho or another aged machine, you can try to use a simple tv-set with cinch or scart input. Only the newer machines have specialized monitors, that you can only replace with original parts (or not really cheaper parts from OEMs). The only problem can be, if you have some "softkeys" around the screen.

[ihavenofish]

Have in Mind, that DMG is mainly Deckel, but the old machines of all firms are not really supported. Especially if Mahos.

We in Germany have some specialised firms, they have spare parts for the antique machines. Maybe, if you can't get spare parts, try it abroad but the prices are often prohibited.

7ft with 8 feet spare, thats not a problem, as I get my Deckel, you can't push a newspaper between the upper corner of the machine and the door. On the side it was less spare as you have. But its necessary, that you have people before and behind the machine, cause you can't go through the gap. And if possible it were better if you can stand your machine upon controllable rollers.
Sorry I haven't found a correct translation for the rollers. that are the one with a drawbar to change direction.

About your monitor, if its for the Maho or another aged machine, you can try to use a simple tv-set with cinch or scart input. Only the newer machines have specialized monitors, that you can only replace with original parts (or not really cheaper parts from OEMs). The only problem can be, if you have some "softkeys" around the screen.

so im not the only one putting a machine in a tiny space, haha. the rollers are what i called dollies. wheels you put under the feet and then push the machine around. i found a place that might move it this week, but i didnt get the price yet. hope its not very high.

on the screen, ive seen people replace the tube with lcd's using a $100 converter that makes the correct scan rate.

[uli12us]

Probably you need a small stapler or so to push, the machine weighs 5200kg.
I have found a pic of the cover from the toolchanger, it seems its only the half of a cube. Maschinen-Foto 4 - Bearbeitungszentrum - Horizontal MAHO MC 5 HS

[underthetire]

Actually, it is NOT a TV screen. Totally different frequency.

And yes, I know you can hack a LCD in to the machine, but don had a kit that was pretty much drop in. Wasn't terribly expensive, at least not expensive enough for me to waste my time trying to order stuff from a couple different vendors.

[ihavenofish]

Probably you need a small stapler or so to push, the machine weighs 5200kg.
I have found a pic of the cover from the toolchanger, it seems its only the half of a cube. Maschinen-Foto 4 - Bearbeitungszentrum - Horizontal MAHO MC 5 HS

yeah, all the covers including the atc "hat" are on a skid next to the machine.

tentatively it will be delivered this Friday now. yay.

[ihavenofish]

the delivery company that promised last friday annoyed me, so i dropped them. its now all ready for thursday at lunch.

/me sits and waits patiently

[ihavenofish]

its here, yippie!

ill post pics later

[ihavenofish]

random picture dump
http://www.polarguitars.com/maho/images/random/

i pulled the cpu card out, it seems to me to be a 432/10 v500 if im reading right. not v603. are any critical features lost with the v500? does this version do simultaneous 4 axis? DNC? drip feed? etc. the boards look "new". definitely upgraded later in its working life.

ive also found ram chips to upgrade it from 96 to 384k memory, which should help with bigger programs.

[thebodger]

Fish:
I hope you have a list of the machine constants. Pulling the CPU will cause loss of constants. Although, if the control has been disconnected from power for a long time, then the battery maybe dead, in which case the constants are gone anyway.

[ihavenofish]

Fish:
I hope you have a list of the machine constants. Pulling the CPU will cause loss of constants. Although, if the control has been disconnected from power for a long time, then the battery maybe dead, in which case the constants are gone anyway.

its been unplugged for a few years. theres a manual which should have all the constants in it.

ive been told not to expect much for 3d contouring speed out of this control. dont really need high speed for metal, but i will if i do some wood guitar parts.

im pondering what could be upgraded and updated easily, without a retrofit.

memory seems to be easy to get, i can up it to 384k for $100, that should allow me to at least store some sizable programs (10-20k lines).

[uli12us]

Afaik the control can move 4axes simultaneously. But in normal operation, you don't need more than 3 axes. IIRC if you want to mill a thread it works only, if you make complete circles, but this can be only with an older SW vevision.

[ihavenofish]

Afaik the control can move 4axes simultaneously. But in normal operation, you don't need more than 3 axes. IIRC if you want to mill a thread it works only, if you make complete circles, but this can be only with an older SW vevision.

i read that it can only do 3 at a time.. but any 3. kinda like dmg's new "3+2" machines. so i can spin the table while move any 2 other axes. for 99% of work is perfect. i didnt see helical motion anywhere. ill have to check on that. the machine supports rigid tapping though.

any other insights would be welcome.

like: since this thing has slow block processing, would making arcs (g2/g3) help the over all speed? for example a guitar outline could be turned into a series of arcs all over 25mm long, instead of lines 1-3mm long. seems to me that would help keep speed high unless arcs took alot of extra processing.

[ihavenofish]

so, i got the manuals. lots of them. maintenance, service, user, programming etc. also got the purchase and repair logs.

this machine was bought/installed in nov 1987 by goodyear. theres a service record up to 1995 from the same owner. i think at that point it was sold to someone else and used lightly until 2007. most of the major service seems to be cleaning oily encoders. the last bit of service was spindle gearbox. im betting they decided to sell it rather than fix it.

the control is a 432/10 v500, which is apparently original, as is the renishaw probe and tool breakage monitor.

it had a simulation graphics option, and dnc step 2 option. has 45k of program space.. there was a 256k upgrade crossed out, so i guess they didnt want to pay for that. also lists a brown and sharp coord measuring machine... but i dont know what that it or if its part of the physical machine.

im also 99% sure now that im missing the main coolant tank. i think the tank i have is for the through spindle coolant only, or at least thats what the specs lead me to believe.

the spec runn down says:

8000rpm dc spindle with gearbox
590ipm rapids
157ipm feed
20rpm rotary table
5 second tool change
16 second pallet chane
tool break detection
renishaw probe (actual probe missing)
150psi spindle coolant through (small tank)
150 gallon coolant tank (missing)
chip conveyor
3+1 axis operation (any 3 axis can move at once, but not all 4)
48 position tool changer
6" 22lbs max tool diametre/weight
.0003" linear precision (scales)
clutches on ball screw drives for crash damage minimising
"skc3" way coating (moglice-ish)
control has 3d contouring (g64), helical interpolation, rigid tap
tool life monitor that swaps out tools after a predetermined lifespan

good stuff, haha. now lets hope it all works

[chinli]

yes i'm sure that's why it sold for scrap because everything still works:stickpoke
good luck with your moneypit.

[ihavenofish]

yes i'm sure that's why it sold for scrap because everything still works:stickpoke
good luck with your moneypit.

it didnt sell for scrap, it sold for less. :P

any yes, it does actually all work, so lick me.