[johnedward]

ah, another is coming to his senses and at least entertaining the thought that things aren't as they should be, keep dreaming handlewanker maybe you'll get what you deserve in the end. i've seen people like you deny reality until the very end and then you are too late to recoup anything.

[ihavenofish]

ah, another is coming to his senses and at least entertaining the thought that things aren't as they should be, keep dreaming handlewanker maybe you'll get what you deserve in the end. i've seen people like you deny reality until the very end and then you are too late to recoup anything.

i've always been to my senses. you're attitude is one that helps no one here. if you are concerned about your purchase (as you should be) take some action and report back on the results. that will be a lot more useful than the "woe is me we've all lost our money and you guys are dumb for not giving up" line.

[johnedward]

i've always been to my senses. you're attitude is one that helps no one here. if you are concerned about your purchase (as you should be) take some action and report back on the results. that will be a lot more useful than the "woe is me we've all lost our money and you guys are dumb for not giving up" line.

i'm the voice of reason here protecting future customers from wasting their money when people like handlewanker try to gloss over this turd and make out everything is fine. that helps no one here. the total lack of communication from him or anyone in his company is completely unacceptable but you could do like the other guy and start a paypal claim and see if someone finally responds. sorry, i kept my money until i saw some products were delivered first so i can't do that for you.

[ihavenofish]

so you don't even have anything in this. how bout keeping your nose out then? let everyone else deal with it the way they need to.

[johnedward]

it's an open forum, people a free to post wherever they want.

[ihavenofish]

it's an open forum, people a free to post wherever they want.

actually its private property. people always forget that.

not that you are in violation of any rules, but you are being a bit of a twit.

[johnedward]

actually its private property. people always forget that.

not that you are in violation of any rules, but you are being a bit of a twit.

there's no need for name calling, that is a violation of the rules, would you like me to report you?

[ihavenofish]

I added a smiley, that makes everything ok. its a universal internet law.

[Tkamsker]

Hi
I See ou got me wrong Sorry my Bad.
I am Talking about Drehmaschinen und Fräsmaschinen Hersteller - Klippfeld Look at Fräsmaschine f12a
I have done (it is my old Homepage and i had no Time to do it also in english )
http://www.tkamsker.at:8080/web/pub/...ctory-retrofit
And as Base for additional Electronic i would use what i have done for the bridgeport
I probably used solicitor wrong but yes our next Step is embassy
But i dont wear Pink Glases ,.. So i expect .... Nothing
Thomas


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[handlewanker]

Wow, the wasp nest is certainly buzzing.

I guess John whatshisname would like to have been included in the buyers list but he waited too long and now it will take a couple of years for the next batch of castings to age properly and be ready to be machined.......it's a long waiting list old sport, but if you haven't got the balls to commit to a sale, keep waiting with your nose pressed against the window.....or you could take out a mortgage and go buy a TORMACH.....LOL....then you'll be tied into a TTS system which will cost eventually more than the mill is worth, or be a tight arse and buy TTS look alike tooling and fool yourself.

So we have to wait.......the SVM series were not stocked production items at the onset, but gravitated in that direction once the interest was aroused, and I can say when the mill/s eventuate they will be like nothing on the market, that's why I am prepared to wait and see.

I contacted my local office for the minister for trade affairs and they told me that the problem we have is common with anyone wanting to do importing without the experience or knowhow for the job.....in other words leave the importing to the bigger trading houses who are well vested in experience to do just that thing.

Sometimes you save a penny and spend a dollar in the process.

I just hope I don't trip over my beard in the meantime....LOL.
Ian.

[Dingenman]

I was just wondering what would happen when one tries to order something from the website now or just asks a question on shipping cost or whatever.
If he is still taking orders that would not bode well for guys having already spent their money with Defeng..
Like most of us I hope everything returns to normal but at this moment it's not looking good.

[johnedward]

you are truly clueless handlewanker but go on waiting if that's your prerogative, i've seen enough here with the total lack of professionalism and completely ignoring customers to ever trust ordering anything from defeng, ever. i don't need a tormach or one of these benchtop toys so don't worry about that lol. i'll keep track here to see if it turns into another hurricane laser fiasco, lol.

[rustyh]

Well, I ordered mine in October last year, made no major modifications to my order, yet I have little / no knowledge of when Im likely to get my order (I was actually promised 45 days lead time by Defeng when I placed my order, 224 days late still nothing!), The only communication Ive ever had is new promised delivery date that have never been adhered too.

So if someone was to ask me if they should part with their money and place an order I would have to say its not worth the risk right now.

Obviously Im no doubt going to get told to sit back and be patient, even though Ive spent what i consider a large amount of my money

[handlewanker]

Hi Rustyh, the problem with direct dealing with an INTERNATIONAL manufacturer is you won't get a delivery unless you pay up front.....before the ink is dry on the paper etc, and before the manufacturer will start to make your machine, whatever.

This is the same on EBAY, and no one complains about that with dealers they never met or knew existed.

This is a lot different to going into your local machinery dealer and saying "I'll have that one please, deliver to may address" etc, after having twiddled the knobs to get an impression of the machine's quality and suitability before laying your money down.

The dealer has the rapport with the international sellers to be able to stock on a trade and payment basis, (which is the service you pay the extra for), whereas, without prior payment for a bespoke order or even a standard production order, we are just one person with no accountability if we change our mind at the last moment, leaving the manufacturer with a bespoke machine nobody else wants.

If we choose to wait until a dealership is established to carry the stock, it will be as a standard catalogue model, no modifications at all and the cost will have risen by leaps and bounds.

Defeng is taking a huge risk in the stocking up of castings and materials for practically prototype designs that could be superseded by any other manufacturer with a more established background and infrastructure, leaving him with stock on the shelf .

We've chosen to gamble in order to make a gain, and also to get what we want.....so if the cards are face down....let the game continue.

Back in the middle ages a merchant would be in a worse predicament if a couple of years had gone buy waiting for the ship to come home as the outlay for the expedition was humungeous, and they traded with China and the Middle East just as we are doing.
Ian.

[Tkamsker]

Handlewanker
I agree on gambling but
The Huge risk i dont agree.
He was doing similar like novakon did only letting US somehow participate .
But He did ( if He did ) the machines like He wanted i didnt See any special there only gambling on cheap labour and hopefully ok quality
I now Calculate my Plan B ...

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[johnedward]

rustyh, wanker will blow a bunch of smoke about why he thinks the wait is so long but he has nothing about what you and others have grave concerns about, being completely ignored and this is not acceptable in any type of business that hopes to be of any success especially one like this where the sales were born on a public forum. where did you hear about this machine? if he was giving updates regularly about progress of the product you paid for already there wouldn't be as great a concern. you gave him money, he and his company owe you more than one missed promise ship date period. you might think it's just a matter of time with the custom machines but you have to realize something is not right when he is failing to deliver the various accessories on his site too. he got way in over his head and you'll be the losers.

[Tkamsker]

I accepted already the fact that i May be in that case the looser but every bad has also some good in it ...

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[handlewanker]

Hi, since when does anyone gamble without FIRST laying down the money for the bet?

Unfortunately there are no comparable machines in the Australian market that fit the bill, so we have to wait and see when our ship is coming home.
Ian.

[mountaindew]

I remember reading this thread a couple years ago.
Follow up on this tells me I made a good decision.
Drawing, caming, running code and making stuff is fun.
md

[johnno402002]

Hi mountaindew, you sure know how to kick a man when he is down What did you buy?

john, dreaming of drawing, caming, running code and making stuff.....