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  1. #1
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    Re: Fixturing large stock for facing?

    Steve,
    I just ordered some Permacel double sided tape.
    One question for you is how to release my part from the fixture plate.
    Here is the scenario - I have a 1" thick by 9" Diameter aluminum fixture plate bolted to the face of my 8" rotary table (using the T-slots/bolts on the face of the RT).
    I will have the 1/4" thick x 14" aluminum plate taped to the top of this 9" fixture plate.
    After fly cutting the top, I want to flip it over to fly cut and machine the other side.
    I have read that denatured alcohol is used to break the bond of the tape.
    Since my fixture plate is smaller than the plate I am machining and it is bolted to the face of the rotary table, my challenge is how do I get under the machined plate to 'break' the bond of the tape between the part plate which overhangs the rotary fixture plate by 2 1/2" on each side.
    I think typically fixture plates are larger than the parts but I would have to take out a second mortgage to buy a big enough fixture plate and I already had the 1" x 9" diameter round stock.
    I could tilt my RT but it is heavy and I will have to re-align it.

    Thanks,
    Nathan



    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Seebold View Post
    If you do it on your 4th axis, I would just use double back tape to hold it down and if your finished part is round you can do that at the same time.

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    Re: Fixturing large stock for facing?

    Quote Originally Posted by CadRhino View Post
    Steve,
    I just ordered some Permacel double sided tape.
    One question for you is how to release my part from the fixture plate.
    Nathan
    My notes on double sided tapes
    Clean both surfaces with alcohol or the tape wont stick very well.
    Figure out some crafty way to press / clamp it down or together to help tape form bond. Leaving it clamped for a few minutes also helps.
    Machine it dry or part will fly

    I use a long narrow blade putty knife to break tape bond and release parts.

    The tape has thickness and the thickness can vary, causing problems.
    The tape also has flex or spring this also causes problems to consider.
    md

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    Thanks md
    What brand tape are you using?
    The brand I will be using is pretty strong adhesion but the prying might work to break the bond if I am careful not to gouge the part. The part will be pretty delicate when I am done so I was looking into getting alcohol to the tape to help break/dissolve the bond
    I guess I just need to try it and see how it works

    Quote Originally Posted by mountaindew View Post
    My notes on double sided tapes
    Clean both surfaces with alcohol or the tape wont stick very well.
    Figure out some crafty way to press / clamp it down or together to help tape form bond. Leaving it clamped for a few minutes also helps.
    Machine it dry or part will fly

    I use a long narrow blade putty knife to break tape bond and release parts.

    The tape has thickness and the thickness can vary, causing problems.
    The tape also has flex or spring this also causes problems to consider.
    md

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    Re: Fixturing large stock for facing?

    Quote Originally Posted by CadRhino View Post
    Thanks md
    What brand tape are you using?
    The brand I will be using is pretty strong adhesion but the prying might work to break the bond if I am careful not to gouge the part. The part will be pretty delicate when I am done so I was looking into getting alcohol to the tape to help break/dissolve the bond
    I guess I just need to try it and see how it works

    I mostly use pattern makers tape "paper type" from Double Faced Adhesive Tape - clear VHB and white foam
    This is specific for use with plastics and might not work for your application. "stuff is not cheap either"
    If the part is delicate it would be good idea to use some sort of bond breaker like alcohol.
    Low force operations will also help the material stay in place until its finished

    ps: post some pics of your finished part or work, always enjoy looking

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    Re: Fixturing large stock for facing?

    Quote Originally Posted by CadRhino View Post
    Steve,
    I just ordered some Permacel double sided tape.
    One question for you is how to release my part from the fixture plate.
    Here is the scenario - I have a 1" thick by 9" Diameter aluminum fixture plate bolted to the face of my 8" rotary table (using the T-slots/bolts on the face of the RT).
    I will have the 1/4" thick x 14" aluminum plate taped to the top of this 9" fixture plate.
    After fly cutting the top, I want to flip it over to fly cut and machine the other side.
    I have read that denatured alcohol is used to break the bond of the tape.
    Since my fixture plate is smaller than the plate I am machining and it is bolted to the face of the rotary table, my challenge is how do I get under the machined plate to 'break' the bond of the tape between the part plate which overhangs the rotary fixture plate by 2 1/2" on each side.
    I think typically fixture plates are larger than the parts but I would have to take out a second mortgage to buy a big enough fixture plate and I already had the 1" x 9" diameter round stock.
    I could tilt my RT but it is heavy and I will have to re-align it.

    Thanks,
    Nathan

    Couple of thoughts on releasing Nathan -

    You could use a little heat to soften the bond (heat gun).

    Also, might have already been suggested, but waxed dental floss may allow you to saw along and break the bond. Might take a bit, but would eliminate any tweaking/bending of the plate caused by trying to pry it free.

    Bill
    Manufacturing & Development
    ThermaeCooling.com

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