down arrow and speed decrease huanyang vfd

Hey G'day people,

Need some help with PD setting for decreasing speed using down arrow..

I can increase the speed of my spindle using the up arrow which I know adjusts pd003..

eg If pd003 is set at 100 when I run I can increase speed np works as intended...

Problem is when I want to decrease speed using the down arrow the numbers adjust eg from 300 to 100 but there is no decrease in speed :(.. I need to stop the vfd hit run and it will pick up from the speed I set.

which pd setting do I need to adjust so I can decrease speed on the fly not just increase the speed Please :)....

Ive been at this now for days and lots of hours.... sigh.... got most of it nutted out this is the last bit I need so I can get out of the garage and have a beer in peace.


Thanks in advance for all assistance...

Steve

curiosity22

Try this, do a Factory Reset, & just set these parameters only, if your motor is 300Hz max then were the 400Hz Parameter are set change them to 300Hz or what ever your max motor Hz is

Huanyang Mactec54
PD002=0
PD003=400
PD004=400
PD005=400
PD008=220
PD0011=120
PD009=15
PD0010=8

PD13= 08 is for Factory reset, Only use this to set VFD to Factory Default Settings

PD014 Accel=10 Adjust to suit
PD015 Deccl=10 Adjust to suit
PD141= Motor Rated Voltage 220
PD142= Motor Max Amps=???
PD143=Motor Number of Poles=2
PD144=Max Motor RPM=????

Hey Mactec G'day,

Thank you for the settings,

My motor is 400 all the settings you have given me are correct for my motor.. pd144 is set to 3000 which give me correct display at 24000

Only difference between your setting and mine is pd13 factory reset for me is 1 not 08

Model of my vfd is HY01D523B

Every thing works with the exception of decreasing speed on the fly .... whats annoying is the numbers go down but not the speed of the spindle until a restart.



Cheers
Steve

curiosity22

PD144 needs to be set at your motor max RPM 24,000 Not set at 3,000, This could affect the heath of you motor/Drive if not set correct

So voltage=220, Amps=???, Pole #=2, RPM=24,000 must be set in your Drive to your motor Spec

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Originally Posted by mactec54

curiosity22

PD144 needs to be set at your motor max RPM 24,000 Not set at 3,000, This could affect the heath of you motor/Drive if not set correct

So voltage=220, Amps=???, Pole #=2, RPM=24,000 must be set in your Drive to your motor Spec

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Ok well setting pd144 to 24000 isnt going to work as then the multiplier x 8 would show 192000 rpm on the display which its not capable of anyways?
As I understand it pd144 uses pd010 as a multiplier to give you a correct digitial display of rpm? or am I mistaken about that.

As for how many poles there are I am assuming 4 it could be 2 unfortunately there is no way for me to tell only documentation supplied was for the VFD.
The motor if it has any meaning to you is a GZD-80 water cooled 1.5kw - I've searched the web for that particular model number and come up empty.

voltage is correct at 220 which is rated for the motor Amps is set at 5 which is also rated for the motor..

Those settings though don't help with the issue of using the down arrow on the vfd display to decrease spindle speed.

Cheers and ty for the reply and your efforts

Steve

curiosity22

I think you have been playing with setting that you did not need to do anything with

Your number of Poles is 2 for your motor, it could never be 4 pole for that motor, the RPM of you motor need to be set correct PD144 @ 24,000

I think you should do a factory Reset & only put in the setting I gave you, that is all that you need to set, for your spindle motor

You don't need to change any other setting to run your spindle

Huanyang Mactec54
PD002=0
PD003=400
PD004=400
PD005=400
PD007=20
PD008=220
PD0011=120
PD009=15
PD0010=8

PD13= 1 is for Factory reset, Only use this to set VFD to Factory Default Settings

PD014 Accel=10 Adjust to suit
PD015 Deccl=10 Adjust to suit
PD141= Motor Rated Voltage 220
PD142= Motor Max Amps=5
PD143=Motor Number of Poles=2
PD144=Max Motor RPM=24,000

G'day,

Mactec np I'll set it to that and Ill pencil down 2 poles... thank you for that info much appreciated.


Steve

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Originally Posted by mactec54

curiosity22

I think you have been playing with setting that you did not need to do anything with

Your number of Poles is 2 for your motor, it could never be 4 pole for that motor, the RPM of you motor need to be set correct PD144 @ 24,000

I think you should do a factory Reset & only put in the setting I gave you, that is all that you need to set, for your spindle motor

You don't need to change any other setting to run your spindle

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Hey Mactec,

Ok have done factory reset and nada... same as before... as I said originally I did a factory reset which was the cause of all my issues.

In answer to your comment - I didn't play with setting for no reason.
After doing a factory reset the "stop" button stopped working on the panel, I discovered not by choice that you had to change pd026 to 1 to enable it to work. Once I had this worked out then I found out that the down arrow also stopped doing what its meant to do everything else is fine..

Have added all of your settings except for pd144 as an fyi.. on at least my vfd the max setting pd144 will go to is 9999 it cannot be set to 24000...
As I said earlier in the posts pd010 is the multiplier for pd144 for the display to correctly show 24000 pd144 needs to be set at 3000 x 8 = pd010. = 24000.


Dont ask me why that is but its something I discovered in our forums here.. and whoever discovered that seems to be correct

So back to square one so to speak..

going up spindle responds to input works beautifully.. going down only the display changes but no spindle response... if I hit stop wait for spindle to stop hit start it will restart at the lowest value I created using the down arrow.

Regards,

Steve

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Originally Posted by curiosity22

Hey Mactec,

Ok have done factory reset and nada... same as before... as I said originally I did a factory reset which was the cause of all my issues.

In answer to your comment - I didn't play with setting for no reason.
After doing a factory reset the "stop" button stopped working on the panel, I discovered not by choice that you had to change pd026 to 1 to enable it to work. Once I had this worked out then I found out that the down arrow also stopped doing what its meant to do everything else is fine..

Have added all of your settings except for pd144 as an fyi.. on at least my vfd the max setting pd144 will go to is 9999 it cannot be set to 24000...
As I said earlier in the posts pd010 is the multiplier for pd144 for the display to correctly show 24000 pd144 needs to be set at 3000 x 8 = pd010. = 24000.


Dont ask me why that is but its something I discovered in our forums here.. and whoever discovered that seems to be correct

So back to square one so to speak..

going up spindle responds to input works beautifully.. going down only the display changes but no spindle response... if I hit stop wait for spindle to stop hit start it will restart at the lowest value I created using the down arrow.

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Ok you have changed the wrong Parameters for PD26 it should be 0, this allows the motor to Decelerate, setting it to 0 the motor will coast to a stop

If you set PD001 to 0 then the stop button should be working, if it is set to PD001=1 for the stop button to work PD024 has to be changed

Now your up/down keys are working how they should, if you set PD0077=1 & PD078=1 then it will memorize the up & down moves you want to do, I think this will take affect after you have done it one time,You may have to shut down the drive for it to take affect

As for PD144 I don't know what is going on with that,I do see it only goes to 9999,

curiosity22

PD001 should Default to 0 which is for the operator, if it is set to ( 1 ) change it to 0, sometimes when a reset is done it will not change all the Parameters to the correct factory defaults, that is when you have to use the 08 to reset the factory defaults

PD010 is not a multiplier for the reason you are thinking it is a voltage/frequency setting

Hey G'day mactec.

Firstly thank you for going to so much trouble it is very much appreciated.

Ok, I've tried your suggestions, if I set pd26 to 0 "stop" button doesnt work pd26 = 1 stop button works and drive decelerates.. Also for me factory reset is 1 - and 08 unfortunately does nothing changes nothing.. I have switched vfd off and on at power to make sure..

I have pasted all of my settings below...

Code Function Set Range & Function Explanation Factory Setting
PD000 Parameter Lock 0：Invalid 1：Valid 0
PD001 Source of Run Commands 0：Operator 1：External terminal 0
2：Communication port
PD002 Source of Operating Frequency 0：Operator 1：External terminal 0
2：Communication port
PD003 Main Frequency 0.00~400.00 Hz 400
PD004 Base Frequency 0.01~400.00 Hz 400
PD005 Max Operating Frequency 50.00~400.00 Hz 400
PD006 Intermediate Frequency 0.01~400.00 Hz 2.5
PD007 Min. Frequency 0.01~20.00 Hz 0.2
PD008 Max. Voltage 0.1V—* 220
PD009 Intermediate Voltage 0.1V—* 15
PD010 Min. Voltage 0.1~50.0V 8
PD011 Frequency Lower Limit 0.00~400.00 Hz 120
PD012 Reserved null
PD013 Parameter Reset 00~10 08：Restore the factory setting. No other function. 0
PD014 Accel. Time 1 0.1~6500.0S 10
PD015 Decel. Time 1 0.1~6500.0S 10
PD016 Accel. Time 2 0.1~6500.0S 20
PD017 Decel. Time 2 0.1~6500.0S 20
PD018 Accel. Time 3 0.1~6500.0S 40
PD019 Decel. Time 3 0.1~6500.0S 40
PD020 Accel. Time 4 0.1~6500.0S 80
PD021 Decel. Time 4 0.1~6500.0S 80
PD022 Reserved 0
PD023 Rev. Rotation Select 0: Rev Run forbidden; 1：Rev Run Enable 0
PD024 STOP key select 0：STOP Invalid 1：STOP Valid 1
PD025 Starting Mode 0：Start from Starting Frequency 0
1：Frequency track start
PD026 Stopping Mode 0：Decelerating stop 1
1：Coasting stop
PD027 Starting Frequency 0.1~10.0 Hz 0.5
PD028 Stopping Frequency 0.1~10.0 Hz 0.5
PD031 DC Braking level 0.0~20.0% 2
PD029 DC Braking time at start 0.0~25.0S 0
PD030 DC Braking time at stop 0.0~25.0S 0
PD032 Frequency track time 0.0~20.0S 5
PD033 Current level for frequency track 0~200% 150
PD034 Voltage rise time during frequency track 0.5
PD035-PD040 Reserved null
PD041 Carrier frequency 0~15 8
PD042 Jogging Frequency 0.00~400.00 Hz 5
PD043 S-Curve Time 0~6500S 0
*PD044 Multi-input 1(FOR) 0: Invalid; 1:Run; 2: For rotation; 3: Rev rotation; 4: Stop; 5: FOR/REV.; 6: Jog; 7: Jog For rotation; 8: Jog Rev Rotation; 9: Emergent stop; 10: Reset; 11:Reserved; 12: Overheat of heat sink or motor; 17: High speed; Middle speed; 19: Low speed; 20: Multi-speed 1; 21: Multi-speed 2; 22: Multi-speed 3; 23: Ramp select 1; 24: Ramp select 2; 25: UP function; 26: DOWN function; 27: Counter 28: Counter reset; 29: Drawing; 32: PID Start 2
*PD045 Multi-input 2(REV) 3
*PD046 Multi-input 3(RST) 4
*PD047 Multi-input 4(SPH) 7
*PD048 Multi-input 5(SPM) 19
*PD049 Multi-input 6(SPL) 20
*PD050 Multi-output 1(DRV) 0: Invalid; 1: Run; 2: Fault indication; 3: Zero Speed; 4: Braking indication; 5: Set Frequency reach; 6: Arbitrary Frequency 1 reach; 1
*PD051 Multi-output 2(UPF) 3
*PD052 Multi-output 3(Terminals of FA,FB,FC) 1
*PD053 Multi-output 4(Terminals of KA,KB) 7: Arbitrary Frequency 2 reach; 8: In Accel.; 9: In Decel.; 10: Inverter Overload alarm; 11: Motor Overload alarm; 12: Over-torque alarm; 13: Low voltage alarm; 14: Single stage end indication; 15: Process end indication; 16: Counter reach; 27: Drawing reach; 28:PID lower limit alarm; 29: PID upper limit alarm; 30: Fan act; 31: Reserved; 32: Braking resistor act 3
PD054 Multi-output 5(AM) Output of digital frequency signals 0
PD055 AM Analog output Gain 0.0~100.0% 100
PD056 Skip Frequency 1 0.00~400.00 Hz 0
PD057 Skip Frequency 2 0.00~400.00 Hz 0
PD058 Skip Frequency 3 0.00~400.00 Hz 0
PD059 Skip Frequency Range 0.00~2.00 Hz 0.5
PD060 Uniform Frequency 1 0.00~400.00 Hz 0
PD061 Uniform Frequency 2 0.00~400.00 Hz 0
PD062 Uniform Frequency Range 0.10~10.00 Hz 0.5
PD063 Timer 1 time 0~10.0 0.1
PD064 Timer 2 time 0~100 0.01
PD065 Counting value set 00~65500 0
PD066 Intermediate Counter 0~65500 0
PD067-PD069 Reserved
PD070 Analog Input 0~10 0
PD071 Analog Filtering Constant 0~50 20
PD072 50
PD073 Bias Direction at Higher Frequency 0.00~400.00 Hz 0
PD074 0
PD075 0：Positive direction 1：Negative direction 0
PD076 Analog Negative Bias Reverse 0：Not allowable. 1：Allowable. 0
PD077 Up/Down Function 0：Not memorized 1：Memorized 0
PD078 Up/Down Speed 0：0.01HZ 1：0.1HZ 0
PD079 Reserved 0.01
PD080 PLC Operation 0：Normal run; 1: External control 4 -speed; 2:External control multi-speed; 3: Disturbance; 4: Internal control multi-speed; 5: Drawing 0
PD081 AutoPLC 0：Stop after running for one cycle; 1：Cycling run; 2：Auto stop after running for one cycle (STOP for intervention); 3: Auto Run and Cycling (STOP for intervention) 0
PD082 PLC rotation Direction 0~255 （0：For 1：Rev） 0
PD083 0~255 （0：For 1：Rev）
PD084 PLC Ramp Time 0~65535 0
PD085 0~65535
PD086 Frequency 2 0.00-400.00 Hz 15
PD087 Frequency 3 0.00-400.00 Hz 20
PD088 Frequency 4 0.00-400.00 Hz 25
PD089 Frequency 5 0.00-400.00 Hz 30
PD090 Frequency 6 0.00-400.00 Hz 35
PD091 Frequency 7 0.00-400.00 Hz 40
PD092 Frequency 8 0.00-400.00 Hz 0.5
PD093 Frequency 9 0.00-400.00 Hz 10
PD094 Frequency 10 0.00-400.00 Hz 15
PD095 Frequency 11 0.00-400.00 Hz 20
PD096 Frequency 12 0.00-400.00 Hz 25
PD097 Frequency 13 0.00-400.00 Hz 30
PD098 Frequency 14 0.00-400.00 Hz 35
PD099 Frequency 15 0.00-400.00 Hz 40
PD100 Frequency 16 0.00-400.00 Hz 45
PD101 Timer 1 0.0-6500.0S 10
PD102 Timer 2 0.0-6500.0S 10
PD103 Timer 3 0.0-6500.0S 0
PD104 Timer 4 0.0-6500.0S 0
PD105 Timer 5 0.0-6500.0S 0
PD106 Timer 6 0.0-6500.0S 0
PD107 Timer 7 0.0-6500.0S 0
PD108 Timer 8 0.0-6500.0S 0
PD109 Timer 9* 0.0-6500.0S 0
PD110 Timer 10 0.0-6500.0S 0
PD111 Timer 11 0.0-6500.0S 0
PD112 Timer 12 0.0-6500.0S 0
PD113 Timer 13 0.0-6500.0S 0
PD114 Timer 14 0.0-6500.0S 0
PD115 Timer 15 0.0-6500.0S 0
PD116 Timer 16 0.0-6500.0S 0
Code Functions Set Range & Function Explanation Factory Setting
PD117 AutoPLC Memory 0~1 0
PD118 Over-voltage Stall Prevention 0：Invalid 1：Valid 1
PD119 Stall Prevention Level at Accel. 150
PD120 Stall Prevention Level at Constant Speed 0~200% 0
PD121 Stall Prevention Level at Decel. 0~200% 5
PD122 0~200% NULL
PD123 Over-torque Detect Mode 0~3 0
PD124 Over-torque Detect Level 0~200% 0
PD125 Over-torque Detect Time 0.1~20.0S 1
PD126 0
PD127-PD129 Reserved NULL
PD130 Number of Auxiliary Pump 0~2 0
PD131 Continuous Operating Time of Aux. Pumps 1~9000mim 60
PD132 Interlocking Time of Aux. Pumps 1~250s 5s
PD133 High Speed Running Time 1~250s 60s
PD134 Low Speed Running Time 1~250s 60s
PD135 Stopping Voltage Level 1~150% 95%
PD136 Lasting Time of Stopping Voltage Level 1~250s 30s
PD137 Wakeup Level 1~150% 80%
PD138 Sleep Frequency 0.00~400.0 0
PD139 Lasting Time of Sleep Frequency 1~250s 20s

PD140 Reserved NULL
PD141 Rated Motor Voltage Set according to Motor nameplate 220
Set according to Motor nameplate
PD142 Rated Motor Current 02—10 5
00—9999
PD143 Motor pole number. 2
PD144 Rated Motor Revolution 3000
PD145 Auto Torque Compensation 0.1—10.0 % 2.00%
PD146 Motor no-load current 0—99 40
PD147 Motor slip compensation 0.0—10.0 20
PD148-PD149 Reserved
PD153 Restart after Instantaneous Stop 0：Invalid 1：Frequency track 0
PD152 1
PD154 Allowable Power-Breakdown Time 0—10 0.5
PD155 Number of Abnormal Restart 0：Invalid 1：Valid 0
PD150 Auto Voltage Regulation 0~10% 1
PD151 Auto Energy Saving 0
PD156 Proportional Constant (P) 0.0~1000.00% 100%
PD157 Integral Time (I) 0.1~3600.00S 5
PD158 Differential Time (D) 0.01~10.00S 0
PD159 Target value 0.0~100.0% 0
PD160 Target value select 0: set by the operator 1：set by external terminals（0-10V） 0
PD161 PID upper limit 0~100% 100%
PD162 PID lower limit 0%
PD163 Communication Addresses 0-250 0
PD164 Communication Data Method 0-3 0
PD165 0-5 0
PD166 Voltage Rating of Inverter Set according to the model 0
PD167 0
PD168 0
PD169 NULL
PD170 Display Items 0-5 7
PD171 Display Items Open 0-7 7
PD172 0
PD173 Rated Current of Inverter 255
PD174 Set according to the model 7
PD175 Inverter Model 0
PD176 Inverter Frequency Standard 0：50Hz 1：60Hz 0
PD177 Fault Record 1 LU
PD178 Fault Record 2 Note: —— means no fault record. OL - 1
PD179 Fault Record 3 LU
PD180 Fault Record 4 DL
PD181 Software Version U - 1.00
PD182 Manufacture Date Year：Month：Week 30627
PD183 Serial No. 65535
PD184 20
PD185 0
PD186 0
PD187 NULL
NULL
NULL

curiosity22

You can change both of these to ( 1 ) you have them at ( 0 ) this may solve the problem with the UP/Down keys

PD077 Up/Down Function 0：Not memorized 1：Memorized 0
PD078 Up/Down Speed 0：0.01HZ 1：0.1HZ 0

PD026 0=Decerating stop

1=Coasting Stop

Do you have PD001 set to 0 & PD002 set to 0 It looks like you have them set at 1 which is why the stop button would not work

hey Maatech g'day,

Thank you for your persistance..

ok both 001 and 002 are set at 0..

definitely if I put 026 at 0 spindle will not stop ... spindle will stop only if setting 026 is = 1


pd 077/078 set them as well both ways, that didn't change anything..

Steve

curiosity22

PD026 the spindle should stop no matter which parameter you use just one should coast to a stop & the other will Decelerate to a stop faster, that is the only difference with the 2 settings

It looks like you have something wrong with your drive, lots of parameters not working as they should

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Originally Posted by mactec54

curiosity22

PD026 the spindle should stop no matter which parameter you use just one should coast to a stop & the other will Decelerate to a stop faster, that is the only difference with the 2 settings

It looks like you have something wrong with your drive, lots of parameters not working as they should

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Mactec G'day,

I think your right, VFD must be faulty...

Thank you for your patience and assistance and thank you to everyone else who tried to help...

Starting from scratch looking for another VFD if anyone has any suggestions let me know..


Cheers,

STeve

I'm not familiar with HY01D523B. I was looking it up online and found it on Amazon for $220. I do not know why people don't look at more common brand name drives that would be similarly priced. My preferred brand names include ABB, AC Tech/Lenze, Hitachi, FUJI, Yaskawa, Vacon, Toshiba, Baldor, Danfoss, Motortronics, SEW etc.

If you take a look at AC Tech/Lenze ESV152N02YXB you would find that it is similarly priced drive that would accept either single phase or 3-phase input.

I do not know if HY01D523B has any special features. If it doesn't I think ESV152N02YXB would be a better choice and it is made in the US.

Without pushing your luck, try reducing PD011 to 100 from 120 to see if this has some effect.
I think this is the minimum speed (frequency) 2 poles @ 100 = 6000RPM, if my mental arithmetic is still working.
If the minimum speed is set too low, it is possible to cook some motors, as the frequency is too low, for the inductance of the motor, causing too much heating.
If you keep increasing the speed, once above this speed the down button should reduce speed back to this minimum value.
For 2 pole, 120Hz is 7200RPM.

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Originally Posted by neilw20

Without pushing your luck, try reducing PD011 to 100 from 120 to see if this has some effect.
I think this is the minimum speed (frequency) 2 poles @ 100 = 6000RPM, if my mental arithmetic is still working.
If the minimum speed is set too low, it is possible to cook some motors, as the frequency is too low, for the inductance of the motor, causing too much heating.
If you keep increasing the speed, once above this speed the down button should reduce speed back to this minimum value.
For 2 pole, 120Hz is 7200RPM.

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That is correct as for the 100Hz =6000rpm, some of these drives survive at 100 Hz but they are best kept at a min of 120Hz for this VFD, it's not only the motor, that is affected in this case, these VFD drives are the weak link