Hardinge CHNC 1 Power up machine home!

Hi All,

Just got my new (old) CHNC 1 into the shop Tuesday night. Got it hooked up and trying to get everything working now. It is starting to come back to life, slowly.

I got no manuals what so ever with it, but I have found most of the manuals for the control (Siemens 810T) on line and with help from people like Slant62 on this forum. I found a parts manual and it arrived today.

Problem is that I can't find a manual from Hardinge with basic operation stuff. Right now I can't even figure out how to do a Machine Home. If some one could advise me on how to do a "machine home" I would appreciate it very much.

Also, it was supposed to have RS 232 communications, but I can't find anywhere to hook it up. Anyone know where that may be, or how it is wired in?

Thanks in advance----Mike

Upload a picture of the control panel to refresh the memory.

Some a little blurry, but let me know if good enough. And, disregard the search for the RS232 port, I found it. The cover was stuck and even broke when it finally opened.

Mike

Photo 3 shows a mode select button. I would think it will show mode on screen? Once on zero return or home mode, hold the + feed buttons for each axis until to stops on home? Fanucs usually have a mode select rotary switch. It has been over 14 years since I touched a Hardinge with the Seimens control. Highly recommend you contact Hardinge. They have always helped me in the past, even on older machines.

Thanks for the assistance.

I ordered some seals from a Hardinge distributor and some how they messed up the order. Had them over-nighted to arrive on Saturday and one seal was missing. Lost a weekend of work on it time, but talked them into going to the Hardinge site and down loading a manual for me, they have access. Just got back from Staples and having it printed out.

So, if anyone else needs one I have it now.

Thanks---Mike

Did you have them save it as a PDF file?

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Originally Posted by txcncman

Did you have them save it as a PDF file?

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Yup, here it is if anyone needs it. Well, here it is NOT! Zipped it up and tried to attach it several times, but got the "Security Token Missing error!" Tried it unzipped and no go either.

I guess you will have to email me for it.

Mike

Mike

I have the same machine as you and have lost all the commissioning data due to a board shorting out.

Could I trouble you to download A copy of yours and e-mail to me ?

[email protected]

Thanks
Mark

If I can figure out how to do it I would be glad to help you out.

Mike

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Originally Posted by mark562

Mike

I have the same machine as you and have lost all the commissioning data due to a board shorting out.

Could I trouble you to download A copy of yours and e-mail to me ?

[email protected]

Thanks
Mark

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Well, I just pulled the dumb azz move of the year.

I am having control issues so I was pulling all of the boards out and cleaning them. I got all done and looked up and said what is this? Before my brain could kick in I had pulled the battery out. So now I have lost the commissioning data. The screen came right up asking for it. Then it went off and now I have nothing.

That is the issue I was having, sometime the control came on and sometimes not. Sometimes it would come on the engage the drives and maybe shut off in a little while.

Now I am really frustrated.

Time to make a call.

Mike

I bought a used input unit, control panel, off of eBay to see if I can get mine up and running. It has all of the boards and "The Battery" is still intact. I'll hook the whole thing up and see what happens.

But, Hardinge came through fast for me and attached is the commissioning Data they sent me. Has instructions and all.

Thank you Hardinge!!!! :)

Hardinge was always very helpful to me. Glad they are working for you also.

The file you have is for a CHNC2/FANUC 10.

Here is the commisoning data for CHNC1/SIEMENS 810T

Thanks Mark! Hadn't gotten into the other one yet, but now that I've checked you are correct as far as I can see.

Email sent to Hardinge. :)

Just heard back from Hardinge and the files from Mark562 are the correct ones. The gentleman from Hardinge was Mark also, so maybe the same person?!?!?! No, different.

Had an issue with the collet closer and an air leak, so I'm working on that until parts arrive Monday. Had a small blown seal on a brass puck that had been damaged. Making a new one out of 303 stainless right now. Seals will be in Monday too.

I love bringing an old machine back to life! :)

Thanks again Mark.

Mike

You are talking to 2 different Mark's, I found these files on another forum and posted here. I am still trying to get my machine running.

After replacing the burnt board and installing the commissioning data I still can not get the entire 24v system to work.

Guess it's time to call a tech.

more later Mark

I have an additional issue that I need help with.

In trying to upload the commissioning data, each time I hit the "DATA IN" button as in step 13 of the instructions, the control locks up. No buttons work after that. Only thing that can be done is turn the control off and restart.

I also found that if I go straight to "DATA IN/OUT" when I first turn it on it will lock up right there too. Data in or data out buttons both lock it up any time they are pushed.

Anyone have any idea what this can be? What board could be the issue?

Mike

Hi everyone, I just bought a hardinge CHNC4, it came with two 6" 3 jaw Nortfield air chucks, no air tube, I have no need for two, so I would like to sell one. If anyone is looking for one please email me [email protected].

Hi All,

I thought that I would let everyone know that my lathe is back in operation. The software was just corrupt to begin with and reloading it all got the job done.

The issue was probably caused by a bad switch though. It seems that the secondary E-Stop switch was bad and much of the time not making contact. So you could never clear alarms. So they started playing with the control and such and messed up the software.

I have ordered that switch and a couple of others that look not so good, but in the meantime I disassembled the E-Stop switch and cleaned and reinstalled it.

The lathe itself is absolutely sweet. Spindle is totally quiet and both axis' are tight and quiet. Also found out that the drives were replace with A/C drives, a $10,000 upgrade!

I replaced the seals in the turret and in the collet changer while waiting and they are perfect. It did have a bad valve/seal holder in the collet closer and I made a new one for it. Now perfect!

Thanks for all of the assistance from the forum. I now have spare boards if anyone needs to trouble shoot parts.

Good luck to all.

Mike

Hey, I just made a dumbass move of my own, though I'm not sure it's related; I was setting up tool offsets for the very first time owning this lathe (CHCN-1 w/ Siemens 810T) and decided I didn't want any of the previous owner's % programs in memory, so I did a RANGE DELETE between %100 = %1300, and suddenly the work light went out, and the screen became unresponsive. My only recourse was to restart the control, but it wouldn't turn back on.

Does this sound like anything you've encountered before in relation to having wiped out your commissioning data?

When I turn the control on, the four LEDs light up for only three seconds, then nothing. Usually I hear a bunch of relays clicking, and the beep when it activates, but this time, it's quiet - only the fans turn on. No control display, no characteristic high-pitched whines... just silence.

I also don't see any obvious fault LEDs lit on any of the control boards in the back, but then I haven't actually begun a formal investigation yet.


Torin...

Hello. everyone.
I just got a cnc lathe Hardinge chnc 1 and I need help.
It's a 810 T siemens controler 1987 in good condition...
I need to load commisioning data and I don't know how to do it...
I have read a lot of info on the web and I know you guys can help...some of you had the same problem .
I have the data from hardine costumer support but no comunication with the lathe what so ever...
Any advice will be apeciated...

Peter

[QUOTE=campet;1535434]Hello. everyone.
I just got a cnc lathe Hardinge chnc 1 and I need help.
It's a 810 T siemens controler 1987 in good condition...
I need to load commisioning data and I don't know how to do it...
I have read a lot of info on the web and I know you guys can help...some of you had the same problem .
I have the data from hardine costumer support but no comunication with the lathe what so ever...
Any advice will be apeciated...

Peter[/QU

You must have comms set up to load the data. Let us know how that is going.

Mike

Hi Mike,
On the files Hardinge sent me there are instructions how to do it...
I did that using an old laptop with Win 95 setting Hiper terminal and so ...
but no results...
If i can get instructions from someone (step by step) exactly how they did it ....with pictures ...wont hurt...
A hint...I think my problem is the cable???
There are 2 lpt ports on the machine one inside the cabinet ,another in the front of machine...
Which one is recomended to use...


Peter

Here are the detailed instructions and the Comm Data. You have to follow the directions exactly. Read through very carefully and make sure you understand them fully before you start.

Mike

Thanx Mike for the files you sent.

Regards, Peter

Glad to say my CHNC 1 810 T is up and running..
Also.when I will have some spare time in the future I will write some step by step instructions for everyone else...
The most important ITEM in fixing my machine it was the software..PCIN
Siemens PCIN - PLCS.net - Interactive Q & A
So far i can home the machine,rotate the spindle ,index the turret,close and open the collet.
But still i have some problems..
I can not run MDI and AUTO mode....error is calling for low lube and x and z limits settings.
I have to mention that I have no manuals ..I did what i did searching google_cnc zone and using my senses as an mechanical engineer.
If somebody out there jump in ... help will be appreciated...
I will post PCIN for everyone else to use it ..its a dos software.
In my case i used a Compaq old Laptop with Win 95 on it and PCIN in dos mode.( cable 25 pin with 9 pin)
Regards

Here are two manuals. If you stick them on a thumb drive and take to Staples they will print and bind them for about $20.00 each.

There are two locations that require oil and will give an alarm. One is the oiler where the air comes into the machine and the other is under the panel next to the air pressure valve to adjust collet air pressure. They will not clear if they need oil. Make sure you have the E-Stop pushed before filling the tank in the panel or you could get a nasty surprise.

Have you homed the machine yet?Mike

Too large for one upload so two it is. Also, when using MDI, any code you write must have and EOB or end of block after it and it can be used only once, it's gone after that.

Mike

Okay, second file is too big so you will have to PM me with your email address.

Does anyone out there have commisioning data for a post sn 2839 hardinge CHNC 1 with Seimens 810T machine?

Thanks