Re: Brother TC225 retrofit
Little update. Because of my work (I have awful lot of work), this project takes some time... But now new box is installed and original electrical cabinet is cleaned up all wires & other old stuff. If I'm lucky, I think I can take first run for all axes next week. Spindle is little tricky, no documentation of encoder, so I have scope signals out of it.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...516_135928.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...516_140308.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...516_175451.jpg
Re: Brother TC225 retrofit
Hi Jonne,
Your machine look very interesting! I've Sanyo Denki spindle look like your. I've some docs that could fit your driver.
Beside, I also get stuck in servo drive connection because of bad take out. Please take some close shot of your servo drive connection, specially at the big capacitor! Please check where the big capacitor hook into.
Thanks in advance!
Re: Brother TC225 retrofit
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Originally Posted by
ngocdong2001
Hi Jonne,
Your machine look very interesting! I've Sanyo Denki spindle look like your. I've some docs that could fit your driver.
Beside, I also get stuck in servo drive connection because of bad take out. Please take some close shot of your servo drive connection, specially at the big capacitor! Please check where the big capacitor hook into.
Thanks in advance!
Hmmm, what you are exactly needing? Big capacitors comes to intermediate circuit (after rectifier)... I can take some photos at weekend. If you need pinout for servo cables, here is it:
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...214_164024.jpg
Pinout is from motherboard connector. Use this pinout with your own risk, not 100% sure is that correct. Also I'm not sure would that work with spindle, hard to say because I didn't measure that back then... Very sure just same.
If you want hunt down the pinout by yourself, here's picture which would help you:
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...C225jpeg-1.jpg
If you have some documents, please out PM. I could take those my machine document library anyway!
My Bro's progress is quite slow now, I have so much to do, as usual (btw, if somebody likes to check my latest projects, here's link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?...FU&usp=sharing) and now we have summer (last only three months) so I have really better to do :D
...but some little progress have happen, cabinet is taking it's shape:
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...627_225336.jpg
Re: Brother TC225 retrofit
I did a search for the control your using and haven't had much luck finding information. Do you have a link to source or additional information.
Thanks
Re: Brother TC225 retrofit
Hi Jonne, please take a look at below link, I can't insert image here.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/56044420@N07/14587914766/
Here I take a close shot at the big capacitor. Your driver should have the same connection with me.
Also, this is my driver condition :D
https://www.flickr.com/photos/56044420@N07/14610453462/
Full driver image here, found it on Ebay:
Sanyo Denki BL Super Servo Amplifier 60BA150VFW00 | eBay
Thanks a lot for your replay, you are so kind.
Re: Brother TC225 retrofit
Here is a partial list of the drives and equipment ICS can repair. [email protected]
SANYO DENKI 20BA025FXWU0 Servo Amplifier
SANYO DENKI 20BA050FFW14 Servo-Amplifier.
SANYO DENKI 20BM120MXP 3K Servo-Amplifier.
SANYO DENKI 60BA075FFW04 Servo-Amplifier.
SANYO DENKI 60BA100SFW01 Servo-Amplifier.
SANYO DENKI 60BA100SFW02 Servo-Amplifier.
SANYO DENKI 60BA100SFW03 Servo-Amplifier.
SANYO DENKI 60BA150SFW00 Servo-Amplifier.
SANYO DENKI PDT-203G-69 San-Driver DC motor control
SANYO DENKI PDT-203G-691U San-Driver DC motor control
SANYO DENKI 20BA030FFW14 Servo-Amplifier.
SANYO DENKI PRS2120C Power control card
SANYO DENKI 60BB75FXW14 Servo Amplifier.
SANYO DENKI 20BA075FFW Servo Amplifier
SANYO DENKI 20BA150FFW01 Servo Amp.
SANYO DENKI 67ZA150XXXC01 BL Super Servo Drive
SANYO DENKI APC-400C-4 Position controller.
SANYO DENKI 20BA050FFW55 Servo-Amplifier
SANYO DENKI 65BA030VDT13 Servo-Amplifier
SANYO DENKI 20BA090FFW14 Servo Amplifier
SANYO DENKI 20BA100FFW01 Servo Amplifier
SANYO DENKI 60BA100SFW05 Servo Amplifier
SANYO DENKI 60BA150SFW03 Servo Amplifier.
SANYO DENKI Tachogenerator For 20BM120MXP Motor
you can reach them by emailing [email protected]
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Here is a partial list of the drives and equipment ICS can repair. [email protected]
SANYO DENKI 20BA025FXWU0 Servo Amplifier
SANYO DENKI 20BA050FFW14 Servo-Amplifier.
SANYO DENKI 20BM120MXP 3K Servo-Amplifier.
SANYO DENKI 60BA075FFW04 Servo-Amplifier.
SANYO DENKI 60BA100SFW01 Servo-Amplifier.
SANYO DENKI 60BA100SFW02 Servo-Amplifier.
SANYO DENKI 60BA100SFW03 Servo-Amplifier.
SANYO DENKI 60BA150SFW00 Servo-Amplifier.
SANYO DENKI PDT-203G-69 San-Driver DC motor control
SANYO DENKI PDT-203G-691U San-Driver DC motor control
SANYO DENKI 20BA030FFW14 Servo-Amplifier.
SANYO DENKI PRS2120C Power control card
SANYO DENKI 60BB75FXW14 Servo Amplifier.
SANYO DENKI 20BA075FFW Servo Amplifier
SANYO DENKI 20BA150FFW01 Servo Amp.
SANYO DENKI 67ZA150XXXC01 BL Super Servo Drive
SANYO DENKI APC-400C-4 Position controller.
SANYO DENKI 20BA050FFW55 Servo-Amplifier
SANYO DENKI 65BA030VDT13 Servo-Amplifier
SANYO DENKI 20BA090FFW14 Servo Amplifier
SANYO DENKI 20BA100FFW01 Servo Amplifier
SANYO DENKI 60BA100SFW05 Servo Amplifier
SANYO DENKI 60BA150SFW03 Servo Amplifier.
SANYO DENKI Tachogenerator For 20BM120MXP Motor
you can reach them by emailing [email protected]
Re: Brother TC225 retrofit
thanks Jonne, Do you have pinout for axis servo?
Re: Brother TC225 retrofit
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Originally Posted by
ngocdong2001
thanks Jonne, Do you have pinout for axis servo?
Look up this topic, there is pinout what you are looking for (motherboard side).
Re: Brother TC225 retrofit
Some progress... I have really hads full of job, so this bulding is pretty slow... Also nasty accident happened and turret frame broke in to two pieces :mad: , more next post what happened and how yu can avoid my mistake!
But what so far have happened is all axes running fine, tool change works, spindle orientation and rigid tapping works, everything works! Only paint, some fine tuning and clean up and it is ready!
Original spindle motor wasn't that easy, because I realized after measuring and scoping that spindle motor's (HAL) phase detection is 15V or something like that... Delta C2000 VFD can drive PM motors in sensorless or sensor mode, but that first one was way too difficult to get work properly, I'm not sure is it even possible. So I made quickly board with optos which drop voltage to TTL level which is Delta can read.15VDC for spindle motor sensor is got from original Nemic-Lambda PS, but I'll use 7815 regulator chip to get it from 24VDC for that in future. Anyways, after couple hours tuning I got spindle run nice.
Normal running is commanded from LNC +/-10V and when is need to orient spindle or use rigid tapping, LNC and Delta VFD switches to A/B pulsing (position) mode. This happens simply by LNC's PLC, which pull up certain C-bit which indicates to CNC to change pulsing/position mode for spindle and one output which tell VFD to switch to position mode.
Here's some (old) random pics and videos!
Cabinet couple months ago (it looks little bit messy at this point...)
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...801_211139.jpg
Servo adapters:
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...805_180325.jpg
Servos mounted, new cables & some paint job:
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...806_191104.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...805_201244.jpg
Getting color:
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...806_192528.jpg
Latest pic:
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...101_192039.jpg
Video of first run, couple months ago. Squeezing sound of comes from Z servo motor which wasn't tuned when I made this video. Also spindle brake resistor is not mounted so spindle stops very slow...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1i5t4JyARY
Re: Brother TC225 retrofit
Awsome retrofit. Thanks for posting it.
Re: Brother TC225 retrofit
Jonne, you have done an great job on your retrofit, I am jumping back into mine this week. I noticed you said you broke your toolchanger. I just happened buy two complete tool changer assemblies that I came accross at a local auction. I got a pretty good deal on them If you need one let me know and we can figure out something.
Just let me know, I got alot of other spare parts like ballscrews and other items for these machines.
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PIVOTALCUSTOMS
Jonne, you have done an great job on your retrofit, I am jumping back into mine this week. I noticed you said you broke your toolchanger. I just happened buy two complete tool changer assemblies that I came accross at a local auction. I got a pretty good deal on them If you need one let me know and we can figure out something.
Just let me know, I got alot of other spare parts like ballscrews and other items for these machines.
Thanks! I'll keep this in mind. I bought just one more Brother, this is little older TC-221. I'm not sure would that machine need some mechanical attention... However I'm not sure do I have enough inspiration to make another Brother, maybe I give it away (...because I just bought flawless Maho MH600E which is one of best vertical machining centers ever. I mean EVER :D ...topic of modernizating of Maho comes later!)
But this current Brother have no need for tool changer parts, I made my own ;)
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...005_173137.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...009_194030.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...101_192045.jpg
...and by the way, I didn't use CAM, just controller's graphical "handy cycles"!
Ps. What happened my machine can be seen below. Why this happened and how this nasty crash can be avoid for good, I'll tell it next post (soon as I get some time from my work...)
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...915_154106.jpg
Re: Brother TC225 retrofit
Re: Brother TC225 retrofit
I am looking for one of these machine to retrofit if anyone has one PM me
Re: Brother TC225 retrofit
Hello toghter
Your work looks amazing. :banana:
I have a TC-225 in good condition and with not many worktime.
Now im looking for a little help to get a new controller on it (with some G-Code).
Im really cheap so is it posible to use again the motors and controller boards? :idea:
Or does a new controller also need new motors and resolvers? :drowning:
Maybe someone can do the work or some help for money?
Greetings from Swiss
Philippe
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Originally Posted by
rymannphilippe
Hello toghter
Your work looks amazing. :banana:
I have a TC-225 in good condition and with not many worktime.
Now im looking for a little help to get a new controller on it (with some G-Code).
Im really cheap so is it posible to use again the motors and controller boards? :idea:
Or does a new controller also need new motors and resolvers? :drowning:
Maybe someone can do the work or some help for money?
Greetings from Swiss
Philippe
Hi Philippe!
Oh, I have forgot this topic totally... A couple customers in Europe are modernizing TC-22x with LNC controller, so you can send PM if you need help. But I'm very busy, I can't promise very fast service at he moment.
By the way, here's some last photos of the machine:
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...530_104701.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...530_104635.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...530_104653.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...530_112245.jpg