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  1. #1
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    Jul 2014
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    Fagor 8020ms with Windnc

    Can anybody give me some guidance on setting up Windnc to my fagor 8020ms? This is my first industrial cnc mill so this is a whole new concept for me. Im looking for a step by step procedure to go from start to finish. Also, am I able to use the USB connector on my laptop to run this or do I need to have a desktop with a 9 pin connector?

  2. #2
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    Re: Fagor 8020ms with Windnc

    So ive figured out most of what i needed help with. I keep getting a Nr 255 error during the file transfer from WinDNC. Has anybody else had this error? I called and spoke with fagor and they were unable to tell me what it is. They will be contacting fagor in spain to see it anyone over there happens to know.

  3. #3
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    Re: Fagor 8020ms with Windnc

    Arron,

    Were you able to figure this file transfer problem out?
    If so, what was the problem?
    Just curious.
    Thanks.

    Regards,
    Todd

  4. #4
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    Re: Fagor 8020ms with Windnc

    I have figured it out for the most part. It was the post processor I was using. Now im getting ERROR 34 STRANGE CHARACTER errors and I have no idea where the problem lies. Ive gone over the code so many times and cant seem to find the problem. With that being said I want to make it clear that I know little to nothing about G code so the problem my be obvious and I just don't know what im looking for. Im trying to figure out how to load the post on here but the only way I can do it is to past it on here. Hope nobody minds the long code. If anyone can spot the error or errors (there may be a lot) please let me know.

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    N2519 X-0.6059 Y-0.7444
    N2520 X-0.6059 Y-0.9429
    N2521 G00 Z0.32
    N2522 X-1.7494 Y-0.3014
    N2523 Z-0.03
    N2524 G01 X-1.5491 Y-0.3015 F180.
    N2525 X-1.5472 Y-0.2842
    N2526 X-1.5431 Y-0.263
    N2527 X-1.537 Y-0.2418
    N2528 X-1.5244 Y-0.2111
    N2529 X-1.5182 Y-0.1994
    N2530 X-1.5049 Y-0.1782
    N2531 X-1.4883 Y-0.157
    N2532 X-1.4675 Y-0.1358
    N2533 X-1.4395 Y-0.114
    N2534 X-1.4183 Y-0.1012
    N2535 X-1.4024 Y-0.0934
    N2536 X-1.3759 Y-0.0832
    N2537 X-1.3547 Y-0.0775
    N2538 X-1.3335 Y-0.0737
    N2539 X-1.3123 Y-0.0717
    N2540 X-1.2806 Y-0.0722
    N2541 X-1.2487 Y-0.0767
    N2542 X-1.2275 Y-0.0821
    N2543 X-1.2063 Y-0.0896
    N2544 X-1.1851 Y-0.0993
    N2545 X-1.1594 Y-0.1146
    N2546 X-1.1427 Y-0.127
    N2547 X-1.1324 Y-0.1358
    N2548 X-1.1115 Y-0.157
    N2549 X-1.0949 Y-0.1782
    N2550 X-1.0367 Y-0.274
    N2551 X-1.0155 Y-0.3059
    N2552 X-0.9859 Y-0.3478
    N2553 X-0.9537 Y-0.3902
    N2554 X-0.9307 Y-0.4185
    N2555 X-0.9003 Y-0.4538
    N2556 X-0.8614 Y-0.4963
    N2557 X-0.8458 Y-0.5156
    N2558 X-0.8309 Y-0.5387
    N2559 X-0.8201 Y-0.5599
    N2560 X-0.8117 Y-0.5811
    N2561 X-0.8055 Y-0.6023
    N2562 X-0.8012 Y-0.6235
    N2563 X-0.7987 Y-0.6447
    N2564 X-0.7981 Y-0.6659
    N2565 X-0.7993 Y-0.6871
    N2566 X-0.8024 Y-0.7083
    N2567 X-0.8073 Y-0.7295
    N2568 X-0.8122 Y-0.7444
    N2569 X-0.6974 Y-0.9429
    N2570 G00 Z0.2
    N2571 Z1.
    N2572
    N2573 M05
    N2574
    N2575 M30
    %00001

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    Re: Fagor 8020ms with Windnc

    Hi Arron,
    Those Error 34 Strange Character codes can be caused by many different things. It's like a "catch all" code for errors that Fagor doesn't have any other error code for.
    Anyway, when I get one of those codes the things I check are:
    1. Does the name of the program match the line 1 number (without the %sign). The five numbers after the % in line one must match the name of the program.
    2. If you have any comment lines - anything inside of parenthesis () - don't use odd characters. Keep it to simple alphanumeric code.
    3. Make sure your line numbers are in numerical order. You can number by 1, 2's, 5's or 10's or whatever
    (for example:
    010 xxxxxx
    020 yyyyyy
    030 zzzzzz
    etc.
    - but, no matter how many numbers you skip, they just HAVE TO BE in numerical order.
    (BTW, I recommend you set your CAM software up to go by tens.)
    4. I don't think you can have any lines without anything in them (no blank lines) - check your last several lines of code.
    5. I don't think that you can have a decimal point in a federate (F) statement - so get rid of all your "F180." and change them to "F180"

    Try those things and see if you get better results.
    R/Todd

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    Re: Fagor 8020ms with Windnc

    I have made all the adjustments you suggested and I am still having some troubles. When I try to transfer the file to the control via windnc I now either get the strange character or invalid file name error. These seem to be the two errors that im getting hung up on. No matter how many different codes I try I get these same two error messages. Is there any chance you happen to have a small sample code that you know works on the 8020 that I could reference to try and figure out my post processor?

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    Re: Fagor 8020ms with Windnc

    Hi Arron,

    Sure. Here is a small program that I have for the Fagor 8025M. It should load on your F8020 machine.
    Don't try an run it though - this is for a 4ft x 8ft router. So, some of the X & Y numbers are pretty large.

    %51059
    N0010 (WCF59&60-Router.pim)
    N0020 (Fagor 8025M MotionMaster Router_2012-02-09.scpost)
    N0030 (12/01/2013)
    N0040 G0 G17 G40 G44 G70 G80 G90
    N0050 G59 X0 Y0 Z0
    N0060 G53 X0 Y0 Z0
    N0070 G54 X0 Y0 Z0
    N0080 G54
    N0090 (WCF59&60-Router)
    N0100 (Drill, HOLE_POINTS, T1: Drill, 0.125 in diameter, 0.78 in Deep)
    N0110 (Drill, 0.125 in diameter)
    N0120 G90
    N0130 T1.1
    N0140 M6
    N0150 G43 T1.1
    N0160 G54
    N0170 G0 Z0.3937
    N0180 S1000 M3
    N0190 G4K5
    N0200 G83 G98 G1 X7.7850 Y2.0450 Z0.0197 I-0.1999 J4 F4
    N0210 G0 X7.5037 Y0.3750
    N0220 G0 X6.0350
    N0230 G0 X4.5350
    N0240 G0 X3.0350
    N0250 G0 X1.4100
    N0260 G0 X1.7850 Y2.0450
    N0270 G0 Y8.0450
    N0280 G0 X1.2850 Y9.5450
    N0290 G0 X2.7850
    N0300 G0 X4.2850
    N0310 G0 X5.7850
    N0320 G0 X7.2850
    N0330 G0 X8.7177
    N0340 G0 X7.7850 Y8.0450
    N0350 G0 X11.7160 Y7.8750
    N0360 G0 X11.9972 Y9.5450
    N0370 G0 X13.4660
    N0380 G0 X14.9660
    N0390 G0 X16.4660
    N0400 G0 X18.0910
    N0410 G0 X17.7160 Y7.8750
    N0420 G0 Y1.8750
    N0430 G0 X18.2160 Y0.3750
    N0440 G0 X16.7160
    N0450 G0 X15.2160
    N0460 G0 X13.7160
    N0470 G0 X12.2160
    N0480 G0 X10.7833
    N0490 G0 X11.7160 Y1.8750
    N0500 G80
    N0510 (Outside Offset, WCF59_60, T4: Mill/router, 0.25 in diameter, 0.039 in Deep)
    N0520 M5
    N0530 (Mill/router, 0.25 in diameter)
    N0540 G90
    N0550 T4.4
    N0560 M6
    N0570 G43 T4.4
    N0580 G54
    N0590 G0 X11.7160 Y1.8750 Z0.3937
    N0600 S400 M3
    N0610 G4K5
    N0620 X4.7850 Y2.9200
    N0630 Z0.0197
    N0640 G1 Z0.000 F4
    N0650 Y2.6700 Z-0.022
    N0660 G3 X4.9806 Y2.6781 I-0.0000 J2.3750 F4
    N0670 G2 X4.7850 Y2.6700 I-0.1956 J2.3669 F10
    N0680 G3 X6.5518 Y3.4578 I-0.0000 J2.3750
    N0690 X4.7850 Y2.6700 I-1.7668 J1.5872
    N0700 G1 Y2.9200 Z-0.039 F10
    N0710 G0 Z0.3937
    N0720 X14.7160 Y2.7500
    N0730 Z0.0197
    N0740 G1 Z0.000 F4
    N0750 Y2.5000 Z-0.022
    N0760 G3 X14.9116 Y2.5081 I0.0000 J2.3750 F4
    N0770 G2 X14.7160 Y2.5000 I-0.1956 J2.3669 F10
    N0780 G3 X14.7160 Y2.5000 I0.0000 J2.3750
    N0790 G1 Y2.7500 Z-0.039 F10
    N0800 G0 Z0.3937
    N0810 X8.4083 Y-0.3115
    N0820 Z0.0197
    N0830 G1 Z0.000 F4
    N0840 X8.2418 Y-0.1250 Z-0.022
    N0850 X8.1301 Z-0.032
    N0860 X8.0460 Z-0.039
    N0870 X8.1301 F10
    N0880 X8.2418
    N0890 X8.1301
    N0900 X0.9070
    N0910 G2 X0.7820 Y0.0000 I0.0000 J0.1250 F10
    N0920 G1 Y1.6700 F10
    N0930 X-0.0000
    N0940 G2 X-0.1250 Y1.7950 I0.0000 J0.1250 F10
    N0950 G1 Y9.0000 F10
    N0960 G2 X-0.0000 Y9.1250 I0.1250 J0.0000 F10
    N0970 G1 X0.7820 F10
    N0980 Y9.9200
    N0990 G2 X0.9070 Y10.0450 I0.1250 J0.0000 F10
    N1000 G1 X9.0975 F10
    N1010 G2 X9.2225 Y9.9200 I0.0000 J-0.1250 F10
    N1020 G1 Y9.1241 F10
    N1030 X10.0798 Y9.0342
    N1040 G2 X10.1910 Y8.8958 I-0.0130 J-0.1243 F10
    N1050 G1 X9.3493 Y1.4764 F10
    N1060 G2 X9.2121 Y1.3661 I-0.1242 J0.0141 F10
    N1070 G1 X8.4203 Y1.4492 F10
    N1080 X8.2543 Y-0.0141
    N1090 X8.2418 Y-0.1250
    N1100 X8.4083 Y-0.3115
    N1110 G0 Z0.3937
    N1120 X18.8958 Y-0.3018
    N1130 Z0.0197
    N1140 G1 Z0.000 F4
    N1150 X18.7190 Y-0.1250 Z-0.022
    N1160 X18.5940 Z-0.033
    N1170 X18.5232 Z-0.039
    N1180 X18.5940 F10
    N1190 X18.7190
    N1200 X18.5940
    N1210 X10.4035
    N1220 G2 X10.2785 Y0.0000 I0.0000 J0.1250 F10
    N1230 G1 Y0.7959 F10
    N1240 X9.4212 Y0.8858
    N1250 G2 X9.3100 Y1.0242 I0.0130 J0.1243 F10
    N1260 G1 X10.1517 Y8.4436 F10
    N1270 G2 X10.2889 Y8.5539 I0.1242 J-0.0141 F10
    N1280 G1 X11.0807 Y8.4708 F10
    N1290 X11.2467 Y9.9341
    N1300 G2 X11.3709 Y10.0450 I0.1242 J-0.0141 F10
    N1310 G1 X18.5940 F10
    N1320 G2 X18.7190 Y9.9200 I0.0000 J-0.1250 F10
    N1330 G1 Y8.2500 F10
    N1340 X19.5010
    N1350 G2 X19.6260 Y8.1250 I0.0000 J-0.1250 F10
    N1360 G1 Y0.9200 F10
    N1370 G2 X19.5010 Y0.7950 I-0.1250 J0.0000 F10
    N1380 G1 X18.7190 F10
    N1390 Y0.0000
    N1400 Y-0.1250
    N1410 X18.8958 Y-0.3018
    N1420 G0 Z0.3937
    N1430 M5
    N1440 G53
    N1450 G0 Z5
    N1460 X35 Y30
    N1470 M30

    I had a little more time to scan your Gcode above. Here are some other things to check:
    1. Does your machine have a tool changer? If it does NOT - then the control will not understand line 2 (T codes are used to change tools).
    2. Lines 6 & 9 are also blank lines (maybe you already got those deleted out).
    3. There should not be a %0001 at the end of the file. The last line of code should just be: N2535 M30
    4. Make sure that the file you are sending is a .PIM file. If you are editing this file with an editor like Notepad (or other word processor) it will sometimes change the file type to something besides .PIM. It has to be a .PIM file for the control to read it. The best way to edit these files to use Notepad, then make sure to hit the "File Save" and save the file BEFORE you hit the exit or close buttons. This way, Notepad will save it as the same file type as it was when it opened the file.

    What kind of machine is this, Arron? It looks like the machine has a spindle, but this Gcode is pretty simple code. It's just a bunch of LITTLE short line segments with some small Z moves here and there (most of which are redundant).

    What CAM software are you using? It looks like it is not very good CAM software. It looks like circles are being approximated by lots of little, tiny line segments instead of writing a G02 or a G03 statement. If this was a plasma torch, then the lots of little tiny line segments would be OK. But, if you are using this as a router or mill, your work will come out looking like lots of little tiny line segments. It is also putting in A LOT of redundant Z moves. For example:

    N7 Z0.2
    N8 Z0.1 (This is redundant)
    N10 G01 Y-1.2512 F180.
    N11 X-1.4942 Y-1.2435
    N12 X-1.5289 Y-1.2267
    N13 X-1.5627 Y-1.2083
    N14 X-1.5955 Y-1.1882
    N15 X-1.6273 Y-1.1665
    N16 X-1.658 Y-1.1433
    N17 X-1.6875 Y-1.1186
    N18 X-1.7157 Y-1.0924
    N19 X-1.7424 Y-1.0651
    N20 X-1.9341 Y-1.1169
    N21 G00 Z0.1 (This is again redundant - Z is already at 0.1)
    N22 Z0.2 (This is also redundant - it should just go straight to Z0.2)
    N23 X1.9344 Y-1.1159
    N24 Z-0.25 (This is dangerous. You're crashing your spindle from Z0.2 down to Z-.25 at RAPID [G00] speed!!!!!)
    (of course this assumes that Z0 is the top of the part)

    Was your CAM software ever tailored for your machine? It has to be. There are a whole bunch of "Parameters" that are "set" to particular values in the F8020 control. The Gcode that is created by the CAM software has to be made to "match" your parameter settings. If it is not, then the Gcode will not "fit" your machine control and the CAM software will write things in the Gcode that the control will not understand. It looks to me like that might be happening here.

    Tell me more about this machine (answer questions above) and I might be able to help get you running.

    Here is a recap of questions:
    1. Does this machine have a tool changer?
    2. What kind of machine is this? (e.g. router, mill, plasma, etc.)
    3. What CAM software is this?
    4. Has it been tailored for your machine?

    R/Todd

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    Re: Fagor 8020ms with Windnc

    The machine is a 1989 NASA II Mill. It has two spindles but I have been focusing on just getting one up and running for now. I am using BobCAD for my cam. They told me the postprocessor they generated for the 8025 is good. I have strongly suggested they take a look at what they consider to be good since I have had nothing but issues using it. The cam nor the post processor has been set up specifically for my machine. They told me they would generate a post for my mill but I would have to provide them with the list of G and M codes and a functioning G code that currently works on my machine. The G and M code list is easily obtained but the functioning G code sample is where I am having trouble. I have two other routers and a 3D printer that I have been using for several years but those all use Mach3 or other proprietary software and I have never had to mess with any G code or post processors. This whole process is very new to me. I have tried my best to try and solve the issues on my own but I have finally had to admit defeat and seek help. Are you capable of generating a postprocessor for me. I would be happy to pay for your services if this is an option. I am attempting to get in touch with the first owner of the machine to see if they still have any other their old codes as well. I think this might help the process of getting this thing running.

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    Re: Fagor 8020ms with Windnc

    OK. That helps a bit.

    Well, the first problem is BobCAD. I use BobCAD for my CAD software - but that is it. Dealing with BobCAD-CAM beyond that is frustrating and useless - at BEST!

    I use SheetCAM for my CAM software. It is designed for sheet cutting with Plasma and routers - but it will work for the 2.5D CAM needed for a 3 axis mill (well most functions anyway).

    BobCAD is correct that an F8025M post processor should work for the F8020M control.

    Really, all the BobCAD folks need to have is a programming manual for the F8020M or F8025M. If you can provide them with a .pdf copy of the manual, then THAT is what they should be tailoring the post processor from - NOT some "working" Gcode from some friend of a friend that has a machine like this in his basement, yatta, yatta. Those manuals are available online. Just google "Fagor 8020 manuals" and do some digging and you'll find them. They used to be on Fagor's website - but I haven't looked lately.

    WIth all of that being said, that looks like an interesting machine. I found one picture of that machine on a google search. Nice looking machine. I've never dealt with a 2 spindle machine. But, I do know that there is at least one parameter setting that deals with that in the F8020/25 control. If you are trying to get just one spindle to operate - you need to go into the parameter list and find out the correct settings for which parameters to make that a single spindle machine. Chances are good that the F8020 control needs to see something in the Gcode that it is not seeing since you are trying to put Gcode into the control that is written for a single spindle and the control is looking for Gcode that "talks" to 2 spindles at the same time. BTW - be sure to back up ALL your parameter settings before you make any changes - that way you'll have them for reference when you want to change them back to double spindle operations.

    The most sure-fire way of having a fail-proof and fool-proof backup of your parameters is to page thru all of them, one page at a time and take a digital picture of the screen. Then, put them all in a folder on a computer somewhere. Then put them all in another computer somewhere else. And, just to be sure, put them on a laptop somewhere else. That way, you'll always have access to the parameters that need to be set for that machine in case the battery backup goes dead (it happens all the time - just search this forum to see how many folks get caught with a dead battery and no parameter backups). Please do yourself a favor and back up the parameters right now.

    In order to get "apples" to "apples" here, you'll need to send "single spindle code" to the machine that has parameters set for "single spindle"; or, you'll need to get the CAM software set up to write "double spindle" Gcode to send to an F8020 control that has parameters set up for (wants to see) "double spindle" Gcode. I hope that analogy makes sense.

    I would do as you are thinking. Set up the parameters in the control for single spindle operation. Then start out with CAM software that is tailored for this machine in single spindle operation. Once you get that going, you'll have had time to learn what you need to do in order to get CAM software to write "double spindle" Gcode. BTW - I don't even know what "double spindle" Gcode looks like - but I know that somehow it has to be different from the code for normal, everyday, single spindle Gcode. I do remember that it is discussed in the Fagor manuals, you'll have to get into the manuals and figure that out - later.

    Moving on to the task at hand. The Gcode I sent in the last post, is valid Gcode for the F8025M. So, that should help with the BobCAD guys, if you want to get them to write the post processor.

    So, here's what I see you needing to accomplish:
    1. Back up your machine parameters.
    2. Set the parameters in the machine for single spindle operations. To do this, get ahold of the F8020M (or F8025M) OEM manual. That's the manual that will have the list of parameters and how to set them for the machine that your OEM (NASA installed the control on).
    3. Write some really basic Gcode (from scratch, i.e. write it by hand not from a CAM program) to use as I test program to get the machine moving. Just do X, Y & Z moves at first. Once you get that working, then add a spindle Gcode to get the spindle turning. Then, if that goes well, combine all 3 together.
    4. While you are working on step 2. above, get BobCAD busy on writing (or fixing) the post processor for your CAM portion of BobCAD-CAM software.
    5. Use the machine for a while in single spindle configuration. Make some parts, try different things to get familiar with creating code for the machine to do various types of machining (e.g. profiles cuts, hole drills, pockets, bosses, etc.).
    6. While you are doing step 5 above, begin researching double spindle operations. Learn how the Gcode is different. Then get BobCAD-CAM working on tweaking the post processor to handle the multi spindle code.
    7. Go back and change the F8020 parameters for multi spindle operations.
    8. Repeat the applicable steps above for double spindle operations.

    Writing Gcode from scratch is not that difficult for basic shapes like squares, triangles, and even circles. You seem like a pretty smart fella and should be able to do it once you've learned the basic G, M, S and T commands. Consider taking a few days to learn the basics and then dig into the F8020/F8025 programming manuals. You'll pick it up pretty fast. Unless you're programming French curves or some kind of crazy splines it's pretty straightforward if you understand an X,Y & Z coordinate system.

    Let me know if you have any additional questions.
    Sounds like a fun project you have there. I'm sure you can get it working for you soon - with a little help from your friends.
    R/Todd

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    Re: Fagor 8020ms with Windnc

    BTW, here is a very simple program to try to load onto the control, just to see if it will load and to try to move the machine.

    %00011
    N0010 (THIS IS A SIMPLE PROGRAM)
    N0020 (09-30-2014)
    N0030 G0 G17 G40 G44 G70 G80 G90
    N0040 G0 Z1
    N0045 G1 Z0.5 F10
    N0050 G0 X0 Y0
    N0060 G1 X2 F10
    N0070 Y2
    N0080 X0
    N0090 Y0
    N0100 G0 Z1
    N0110 M30

    This program just moves the spindle up to Z1 at rapid (G0) speed. Then runs the spindle down at F10 (10ipm) to Z0.5. Then the table moves (at F10) in a 2 inch square box profile from X0Y0 to X2Y0 to X2Y2 to X0Y2 and back to X0Y0. Then it rapids the spindle back up to Z1.

    I'm not sure of your skill level here Arron, so please don't be offended if I am over simplifying things for you.
    So, here's how to load this program into the control after you've set it up for single spindle ops.
    1. Copy and paste the program above into a .PIM file. (Make a copy of an existing .PIM file, then cut and paste the above into it).
    2. Make sure to remove any blank characters in every line (no blank spaces at end of each line).
    3. Select "File Save" and then close the file.
    4. Turn on the machine.
    5. Do a machine home operation.
    6. Do a touch-off so that Z0 is about 1" above the mill table.
    7. Fire up the computer and WinDNC and send the file to the control.
    8. If the file is successfully sent then go to "OP MODE -> 0"
    9. Pull up the file (push P00011 -> recall)
    10. When the program loads, select CYCLE START. Keep your hand close to the E-stop button in case something bad wants to happen.

    Let me know how that goes.
    If that code runs, we'll add some spindle Gcode.

    R/Todd

    PS - send me a PM with your email address. I can email you some files that might help with all this stuff.

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    Re: Fagor 8020ms with Windnc

    I am starting to realize that BobCad was not the best choice in the world but fortunately I did not pay that much for version 26. I don't know if they were desperate to sell a seat or just didn't care but I only forked out $300 for a new license and a year of support. I also have a license for Inventor Pro that I use for my CAD software. I love it! It doesn't get any easier than Inventor in my opinion. With that being said, is it not such a thing that once I have the post processor figured out it will just be a post and go type of thing? Meaning, no matter what the part is that I designed in inventor, weather it be a simple bushing or a complicated 3D part, with the correct post processor all I have to do is design that part and click generate post or am I going to have to modify the post for every type of part?

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    Re: Fagor 8020ms with Windnc

    I assure you that you cant offend my by over simplifying things, This is one of those things were until I get it figured out, the more dumbed down you can make it the better off ill be.

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    Re: Fagor 8020ms with Windnc

    No, once you get the post processor set up for the type of operations you want to do (like single spindle first), then you can just feed drawings into it and the code should come out ready to run. Although, I always look the code over (manually - for lack of a better term) just to have a "reality check," This helps to make sure I don't have some bugged up code and can prevent crashing the machine.

    As I remember, BobCAD has a webpage to go to where you can modify your post processor as you need to get it tweaked for your machine. I haven't looked at that in a long time and not sure if they still offer that. I'm still on V24 and don't think I'll upgrade any time soon.

    The code that you posted first looks really "buggy." But, if you get that sorted out - you should be able to CAM out your parts pretty reliably for that NASA II machine.

    BTW - do you have the manuals for the F8025M? If not, you can download them all from here:
    :: FAGOR AUTOMATION ::

    I did a complete re-build of a similar mill for a buddy of mine that also has a F8025MS control. You can read some of it here:
    http://www.cnczone.com/forums/fagor-...-hardware.html
    I never got around to finishing that thread, but I got the machine running really well for him. He's making parts with it every day.

    You'll get there too. It'll just take a little effort.

    R/Todd

  14. #14
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    Re: Fagor 8020ms with Windnc

    Todd, I was so excited to test out your sample code that I ran down here to the shop, fired up the mill and loaded the code. IT WORKED! I was so excited to see it load and move in that little square. I went ahead and added an M03 and M05 to the code and it worked first time. Spindle fired up, it did its square movement, the spindle shut down and it went back to zero. My question now is what's the next step?
    Awesome Arron! I'm glad that worked and got the machine moving.

    The next step is to do what you were already seeking...... getting a post processor that writes out Gcode that the control can understand.

    I would pursue that in a couple of directions.

    First, give me a few days and I will search around for a BobCAD post processor that I wrote for my V23 a while back (quite a while). At one point I had tweaked the post processor and got BobCAM sptting out fairly reliable code for the F8025M. I just have to refresh my memory on how to do all that and see if I can find the post processor that I finally came up with. That PP would do most simple functions you need to do, such as most G functions, M functions, S functions and even a T function for doing tool changes on my router (which I don't think you'll need or want). That will get you up and running and able to make parts with one spindle. That PP that I had made is not set up for complex things like canned cycles, rigid tapping and things like that. But, for just cutting out fairly simple parts, it will work fine. In a couple days I'm heading out on the road for 10 days for work (my actual day-job that pays the bills). I will have time to play with this stuff then and get back to you with more info.

    Second, in conjunction with the above, start hitting up (and keep after) BobCAD-CAM (BCC) to write you a customized PP for that machine. It will take a lot of frustrating calls to tech support and sending them whatever they ask for, but you've paid for that service and they should do it for you. You need to bug them to get the PP capable of doing more complex tasks like what I mentioned above. Also, if those spindles have two different speed ranges, the PP code should be written to handle that too. It will take a while and it will probably get done in increments (when you go to do something new on the machine some day and find out that the PP is not putting out the correct Gcode - you'll have to get them to tweak the PP again, etc.) So, your PP is something that can evolve over time as you try to do more and more complex operations, etc.

    Then, start researching info on using a machine with two spindles. Learn more about programming with two spindles, and what the Gcode should look like, etc. You know, I just looked through the F8025M OEM manual and I didn't see anything about multiple spindles. This thing might be a lot simpler than I'm envisioning. When you ran the M03 and the M05, did both spindles do the same thing? They are probably just set up for both spindles to do the same thing (same speed, etc.) using just the standard single spindle Gcode. That makes since, given that the whole purpose for a second spindle is just to double your production rate. This may not be such a big thing after all. Not sure. We'll have to research that.

    Also, in the mean time, if you have any particular part that you need to start making you can send me the CAD drawing and I will CAM it out in SheetCAM and you can use that Gcode to get rolling.

    Glad you got the machine moving. Let me know if the machine has a tool changer and about the spindles operating together.

    R/Todd

    BTW - if you can still go back and edit your original post, you can take out most of that code that you posted there. Just leave the first and last 20 lines or so. ;-)

  15. #15
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    Hi! I have an ALMAC with fagor 8020M, system is in 0.0001mm mode, i need put it in 0.001 mode some one can give me parameter list ? i cant find list parameters for "P" codes on controller.

    Thanks a lot.

    Regards from Portugal

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